Quoting: The_Cannon
You know what your right I apologize. That wasn’t real criticism. We won’t see eye to eye on kuraly and it is what it is. I’m not gonna get into a crap throwing fight with you. As for danforth last year. I’m not sold on his game going forward. He was a great energy guy on the wing but the defensive responsibilities a center carries limit the impact on the game. It’s like torts always said about jenner for better or for worse he had a point that Jenner couldn’t go balls to the wall in the o zone on a forecheck.
Roslovic being middle of the pack defensively is a tad overstating it. He typically gets burned on checks and assignments in the d zone and has a difficult time supporting his defenders in the corners and along the wall. Sillinger played about 50 percent of the games well and the other 50 percent of the games where he pulled an invisible act. He was demoted to the forth line in stretches. I also don’t think Kent is ready to play center in the nhl yet. He looked alittle timid in his stint at the end of the year and needs to find his game at the nhl first.
For the Pasternak trade. I don’t think this is what Boston would be looking for. They would want a blue chip prospect for pasta which we shouldn’t be willing to give up. Your offer is fine from our perspective bit our long term view is going to be tough to keep all of our players together. 30 million in 3 wingers, plus werenski. That’s half of our capspace. We have a lot of it allocated already to middle 6 talent that I am afraid we won’t be able to keep our higher end guys.
Not to speak for you, but I’m sure this is where you say to move kuraly and that is valid, I would attempt to clear cap in different ways.
For example if we have a 1-2 punch of Johnson, sillinger. How do we want our 3rd line to look shut down or scoring. I would look to move out one of jenner or roslovic first as we don’t have room for 4 top 9 centers and one of those are the obvious choice and definitely wouldn’t have the space for a winger making 4 million on the third line.
I also wonder about Bemstrom. You see him in the top 9 next year? Curious as to why especially over the players that are on the outside looking in. I also ask what has he proved to be worth that contract?
I will work on my responses in the future. I hope we can all strive to do the same.
Analytically, both Danforth and Bemstrom have some of the best defensive numbers on the team. The issue is that they don't get significant ice time. Bemstrom and Marchenko are pretty interchangeable in the bottom 6, but I haven't seen Marchenko play in the NHL, so Bemstrom gets the jump. Roslovic is middle of the pack and has been improving. I basically agree on Sillinger, but I fully expect him to take a big leap this year, especially if he's playing with Gaudreau. And I also agree on Johnson. To start out the year, I envision him playing 3LW then eventually transitioning into C once some ice time opens up.
That return is pretty big on Pastrnak considering he could very well be a rental. They may not be getting a blue chip prospect, but they are getting some good young players in Texier and Bean, and probably have the space to be giving Foudy an opportunity. Jenner and Roslovic should be on the way out. Roslovic only has 2 years left until FA, which is the same amount of time that'll pass before having to re-sign Sillinger and Johnson. And both Jenner and Roslovic can play wing, so I'm not worried. Jenner having 4 more years is pretty worrying, but if he continue his play from last year (doubtful) in a 3rd line role, I won't complain. Lots of young guys coming up on D that I'm not really worried about spending there.
Quoting: dk325
Holy, there's some real hostile vibes in here. I think everyone from the CBJ fanbase needs to take a breath after the last couple weeks and reassess. The entire future of the team was thrown for a loop with Gaudreau signing and Bjorkstrand leaving.
As for your ACGM,
I don't think now is the time for this much movement. One of the things that keeps getting repeated about the team is that they've grown into a very tight knit group in a very short time. Disrupting that chemistry so quickly after it formed would be a mistake in my opinion. The team needs some time to play and see what some of the younger guys are going to become before big sweeping actions like this are made. I also think that if there is some kind of major trade in the works it would be for a 1C type and not for another winger. Having $35M committed to the top 6 wings for the next couple years would be a mistake. Especially so when Marchenko, Texier and Chinakhov all have top 6 potential and could save all sorts of money and compete longer in comparison to Pastrnak.
Johnson certainly isn't ready for a 1C role when he hasn't played center since before college. If they're really committed to him being a center I could see it as a 3C with Jenner and Nyquist on his wings or as a 1C in Cleveland. If he starts in the minors then the 1C will be one of Silinger, Roslovic or Jenner with Jenner being who I think will get the first crack at it. If he gets the 3C role then it would probably be between just Sillinger and Roslovic for the top center spots.
Laine makes a lot of sense to start out as a RW on the top line with Gaudreau. He's easily the most promising pairing for him on the team and should thrive there with how good of a set up man Gaudreau is.
Marchenko would likely be a waste in a 4th line role and should be playing 2nd or 3rd line RW. The 4th RW should be a rotation of Bemstrom, Danforth, Olivier and maybe Foudy. Danforth by the way was explicitly told by Lars that he would never make it as a center in the NHL and adjusted his game to play a 4th line winger role last season.
Kuraly has been a great 4C and sometimes 3C for the team through his first year. If Sillinger can make it so Kuraly is a full time 4C this year I think he will excel in that role with the easier matchups. His cap space won't be needed until his final year, but the cap will also be rising that year so dumping him likely won't be necessary.
Texier I think fits in nicely as a 2LW option to replace Bjorkstrand in the top 6 and would push Nyquist down to the 3rd line for what should be easier matchups.
Overall, the forward lineup I'm predicting is:
Gaudreau-Jenner-Laine
Texier-Sillinger-Voracek
Nyquist-Roslovic-Marchenko
Robinson-Kuraly-Danforth
Bemstrom
Olivier
Johnson gets the 1C spot in Cleveland with Chinakhov and Foudy as his wingers.
I agree with your defensive lineup and idea that Korpi will be traded later in the year if he can play well and establish some trade value again.
Having a tight knit group doesn't matter if you aren't winning hockey games. Voracek is up in a couple years, and I really don't expect the need to be adding anyone in that time frame, so I don't particularly see how it's that much of an issue. I also think you're a little more optimistic about Texier, Chinakhov and Marchenko than at least myself. Chinakhov especially hasn't shown me anything yet to be worth that potential.
Johnson definitely isn't ready for the 1C role. This is an end of season, heading into 23-24 roster.
If you have Pastrnak and Laine, absolutely no shot am I playing Laine over Pastrnak. Pastrnak is leagues better at 5v5 than Laine. Laine seems to work somewhat well with Voracek, so we'll keep it like that.
Marchenko/Bemstrom are interchangeable. Olivier can stick it the minors for all I care. He's not good. We all know why they acquired him.
Kuraly had a pretty good year, but no team should be spending that much money on 4th liners. He should be gone. It was a bad contract to start with.
I agree on Texier as well. Here's what I'd have heading into the year with no changes.
Gaudreau - Sillinger - Laine
Texier - Roslovic - Voracek
Johnson - Jenner - Nyquist
Robinson - Kuraly - Danforth
Bemmer/Marchenko