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Créé par: Super_Randy

Équipe: 2022-23 Canadiens de Montréal

Date de création initiale: 25 juin 2022

Publié: 25 juin 2022

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

I believe it is in the best interest of both the team and Drouin for him to be a buyout candidate for this offseason.

I have several key targets that MTL would need to acquire extra 1st round picks to draft and they are:

1. Shane Wright (the obvious one)
2. Simon Nemec OR David Jiricek, whichever is available at 5
3. Jimmy Snuggerud
4. Ivan Miroshnichenko
5. Nathan Gaucher
6. Tristan Luneau

Of the list above, it is more likely that MTL can obtain 1st round picks between 14 - 25 then it is to acquire the 5th overall pick from PHI, therefore while I would love to add one of those big RHD at 5th overall, I don't do it here. However I try and swing deals to get a late teens or early 20s pick for Snuggerud, keep our CGY pick to draft Miroshnichenko and acquire another early 2nd to draft Luneau(draft Gaucher with MTL own 2nd)

Unfortunately Price will not play more then 11 games in 2022-2023 (my prediction), but I kept him on IR and kept our cap positive without dipping into LTIR as I believe Price will make at least 2 comeback attempts during the season. He LTIRetires in the 2022-2023 offseason.

The roster constructed below would be the roster to start the 2022-2023 season. Dadonov and Byron hopefully get traded at the TDL (most likely only Dadonov with only 1 more retention slot available).

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Montembeault, Samuel	1	800 000 $
Primeau, Cayden	1	800 000 $
Schueneman, Corey	1	800 000 $
Pitlick, Rem	1	1 100 000 $
Samsonov, Ilya	4	3 750 000 $
Boqvist, Jesper	3	2 500 000 $
Dach, Kirby	3	2 500 000 $
Romanov, Alexander	3	3 000 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
DeSmith, Casey		3	1 500 000 $

CRÉÉ	ANS	CAP HIT
Wright, Shane	3	925 000 $
Lunneau, Tristan	3	825 000 $
Miroshnichenko, Ivan	3	825 000 $
Gaucher, Nathan	3	825 000 $
Snuggerud, Jimmy	3	825 000 $

Transactions

MTL

Hagelin, Carl
Samsonov, Ilya [Droits de RFA]
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (WSH)

Détails additionnels:

Hagelin is a cap dump, the EDM 2nd is the cost of the RFA rights for Samsonov, the WSH 1st is for Allen 50% retained and Armia 50% retained (he increased his stock at the worlds imo)

WSH

Allen, Jake (1 437 000 $ retained)
Armia, Joel (1 700 000 $ retained)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (EDM)

Détails additionnels:

Allen at 50% retention traded at the 2022 draft.

MTL

Choix de 7e ronde en 2024 (ARI)

ARI

Hoffman, Mike
Kapanen, Oliver [Liste de réserve]
Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (CAR)

Détails additionnels:

Paid to take Hoffman (ANY TEAM WITH A LOT OF CAP SPACE)

MTL

Boqvist, Jesper [Droits de RFA]
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (NJD)

NJD

Anderson, Josh
Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (ANA)

Détails additionnels:

Anderson is worth a 1st + and I believe this package from the Devils is fair value for both sides

MTL

Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (SEA)

Détails additionnels:

With four 2nd round picks I think SEA can afford to take a swing on a boom or bust prospect in Farrell. Clague is a throw in as well as a 2023 3rd round pick

SEA

Clague, Kale [Droits de RFA]
Farrell, Sean [Liste de réserve]
Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (MTL)

MTL

Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (TOR)

Détails additionnels:

25oa

TOR

Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (SEA)
Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (MTL)

Détails additionnels:

36oa plus the 3rd is more then fair to move up 11 spots at the end of the 1st

MTL

Dach, Kirby [Droits de RFA]

CHI

Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (CGY)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (COL)

Détails additionnels:

This is more then fair for an unproven player at the NHL level.

Rachats de contrats

Karl Alzner: 833 333 $
Jonathan Drouin: 1 833 334 $
Carl Hagelin: 1 550 000 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Jake Allen: 1 437 000 $ (49.98%)
Joel Armia: 1 700 000 $ (50%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2022
2023
2024

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	82 500 000 $	73 142 416 $	1 132 500 $	1 270 000 $	9 357 584 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Caufield, Cole 880 833 $880 833 $ (850 000 $$850K) AG, AD UFA - 1	Suzuki, Nick 7 875 000 $7 875 000 $ C UFA - 8	Dach, Kirby 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ C, AD RFA - 4
Pitlick, Rem 1 100 000 $1 100 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Wright, Shane 925 000 $925 000 $	Boqvist, Jesper 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ C, AG RFA - 1
Dadonov, Evgeni 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 1	Dvorak, Christian 4 450 000 $4 450 000 $ C UFA - 3	Gallagher, Brendan 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC, NMC UFA - 5
Byron, Paul 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Evans, Jake 1 700 000 $1 700 000 $ C UFA - 3	Ylönen, Jesse 880 833 $880 833 $ AD, AG RFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Edmundson, Joel 875 000 $875 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Petry, Jeff 2 343 750 $2 343 750 $ DD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 3	Samsonov, Ilya 3 750 000 $3 750 000 $ G UFA - 1
	Romanov, Alexander 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ DG RFA - 3
Guhle, Kaiden 863 333 $863 333 $ (420 000 $$420K) DG/DD RFA - 3	Savard, David 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ DD UFA - 3	DeSmith, Casey 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ G UFA - 2
Schueneman, Corey 800 000 $800 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Poehling, Ryan 750 000 $750 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1	Price, Carey 10 500 000 $10 500 000 $ G NMC UFA - 4
Wideman, Chris 762 500 $762 500 $ DD UFA - 2
Montembeault, Samuel 800 000 $800 000 $ G UFA - 2

Équipe de réserve
Miroshnichenko, Ivan 825 000 $825 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
Snuggerud, Jimmy 825 000 $825 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)

25 juin 2022 à 23 h 57

palhal

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Arizona is going to have their choice of cap dump.....especially with front loaded contracts they would like. Teams better be prepared to add sweeteners....lots of sellers few buyers.
You lost a lot of us when you said 35 point Anderson at 5.5m X 5 years is worth a first rounder plus......Only Habs fans think that.

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26 juin 2022 à 0 h 1

Super_Randy

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Quoting: palhal

You mean the same as only Habs fans thought Chiarot would get a 1st +.......or how Lehkonen would get a 1st +.......or how Toffoli would get a 1st + .......................

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26 juin 2022 à 0 h 44

Theozler

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Hawks would probably just stick to dach

26 juin 2022 à 4 h 0

pretzelcoatl

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Anderson is worse, older Zacha. Zacha is not worth a first. The Devils do not want Anderson.

I'm becoming the joker

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26 juin 2022 à 4 h 25

Tintin

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Rather have Boqvist who's getting really comfortable at 3C over a declining Andersson signed to a bad contract.

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26 juin 2022 à 7 h 23

Billy739

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Quoting: Super_Randy

You mean the same as only Habs fans thought Chiarot would get a 1st +.......or how Lehkonen would get a 1st +.......or how Toffoli would get a 1st + .......................

ARZ deal says it all
Bryan Little has 2 years a 5.2m
WPG had to give up a B level prospect and got a 4th round pick in return

Palhal is just wrong
Its why i blocked him he quotes stuff outta context
He brings up what ARZ will demand then ignores what they just got in the same scenario
Its a pattern with him

26 juin 2022 à 7 h 27

Billy739

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Quoting: Tintin

Rather have Boqvist who's getting really comfortable at 3C over a declining Andersson signed to a bad contract.

I'd rather have Anderson personally
Dvorak had 17pts in 22 games under MSL who played him in a 3rd line role
He had 72% faceoff win rate and was a force in our back end as well

I just dont see how Boqvist fits especially with Evans rise upon Pitlicks arrival with their Chemistry reminding me of Byron-Danault when they both arrived
With Wright coming to MTL and Suzuki or #1 Center i just dont see how Poehling fits in let alone Boqvist

26 juin 2022 à 9 h 40

Habsfan76

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There’s no point in buying out Drouin. I’d let him try his luck out with St.Louis as coach and then trade him at the deadline if needed. Trading away Sean Farrell for another pick seems like a waste. Habs have enough picks, they need to give their prospects a chance. Lastly, Montreal won’t retain for multiple years on Armias contract. They’ll probably just use him for the next few years while the team rebuilds.

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26 juin 2022 à 9 h 50

palhal

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Quoting: Super_Randy

You mean the same as only Habs fans thought Chiarot would get a 1st +.......or how Lehkonen would get a 1st +.......or how Toffoli would get a 1st + .......................

What a silly argument and non factual argument you presented. FYI, Chariot was rental, contending teams tend to "load up" for a playoff run. Teams aren't. responsible for his cap after the season and took on very little cap for the half season they had acquired him. Same with Lehkonen, though he is a RFA, Avs can walk away from his new contract or trade him.
How can you compare Toffoli on the ice or his contract to Anderson. Toffoli was superior to Anderson in Montreal and certainly has been even better in Montreal, and his 4.25m contract is better than Andersons.

26 juin 2022 à 13 h 12

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Allen 50% retained isn't worth a first, and if Hagelin isn't LTIRetired I would rather have him than Armia. Caps give you a third for Allen no retention and thats it. He has literally had one good season in the last 6 years and it was when he played 24 games as a backup. The last time he played as a true no 1 was in STL in 2017 and he was bad.

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26 juin 2022 à 13 h 27

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odyssey

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It’s gonna cost a little more than that to move up 11 spots

27 juin 2022 à 0 h 25

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Super_Randy

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Quoting: palhal

My exact point is I, as a Habs fan, would be the better judge or what the MTL players would/would not be worth. You can go right ahead and call my statement a "silly little argument" but the FACT remains that when you (non Hab fans) dumped BS upon BS about how MTL would be lucky to get a 1st for Chiarot....etc etc....all that was just your hatred for the Habs. It's not even hockey knowledge, it's just stupid comments by people who just want to be silly little haters who cannot stand seeing the Habs do something good for the team.

Mark my words that if Anderson gets traded this offseason, that Kenny Hughes will get a 1st plus for him.

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27 juin 2022 à 0 h 33

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palhal

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Quoting: Billy739

Well beats your pattern of homerism. Little on a 5.2m X 2 contract??? He's on LTIR the rest of his career....just adds to the Arizona cap and costs little or no money.

27 juin 2022 à 0 h 59

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Andy_Dick

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Quoting: Tintin

Rather have Boqvist who's getting really comfortable at 3C over a declining Andersson signed to a bad contract.

So tired. Literal every insider says its a reasonable deal around the league but yea lets hear from the bias Devils fan base that rejects Guhle (cause they dont need him?) Anderson (Cap dump) 2023 1st RD (may not be top2 though top 10 are all better than top2 in this draft) all that for the 2OA this draft. I literally predicted they would come in to say no after a half dozen Habs fans said they wouldnt do the trade for 2OA just for the 2023 pick which is the right move.

Delusional

27 juin 2022 à 1 h 4

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Andy_Dick

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Quoting: Super_Randy

Anyone that can read at this point knows they are getting a 1st. That will be the same storyline after the deal if it happens. WE ALL KNEW BUT IT WASNT JUSTIFIED CAUSE GMS ARE DUMB. just like Lehkonen was a dumb move for the Avs to give up too much yet they won the Cup. Ridiculous thinking.

27 juin 2022 à 1 h 12

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Andy_Dick

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Quoting: Billy739

Trade does nothing for Mtl. Calling a 28 year old declining is hilarious when that is the prime age for a power forward. They dont need small wingers. Anderson is a rare commodity either they get a legit prospect and high pick or they keep Anderson. They dont need to move him. The only reason is name is out there is because many teams are calling. You don't desperately try to trade a 28 year old signed long term that is happy playing in Montreal because he might get old, very dumb logic from the naysayers. It never ends.. he's too young..?? unproven..?? hes too old..?? or he will be too old??

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27 juin 2022 à 2 h 30

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Billy739

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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great

I think you tagged in the wrong guy
I said i'd rather Anderson and that Dvorak offers more then Boqvist anyways
I agree with your logic in general here

Power Forwards who can skate are not out there in bulk
Where my opinion becomes unpopilar is when i say trading Hoffman makes no sense if we're rebuilding

27 juin 2022 à 3 h 1

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Andy_Dick

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Quoting: Billy739

I didnt make a mistake but im not quoting the same person twice.
I wouldnt trade Anderson for the 13th OA which has been rumoured. After all, if Nazar or Yurov isnt there at 13th, who's left in that range but a bunch of maybes?? They have 14 picks this draft, they need quality not maybes.
It doesnt matter what ppl think Anderson can do on the ice because he's a different beast. Gms are paying for scarcity, you dont say paying millions of dollars for a hockey card, is just worthless piece of paper in the end but if ppl are willing to pay then that is the price. Gms are willing to pay for Anderson and we already saw it with Domi and a 3rd despite Josh having no contract and coming off a serious injury.

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27 juin 2022 à 3 h 14

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Billy739

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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great

Lambert for one
Bad year has seen him drop but before this year he was ranked as high as 4th OA for a reason
He's a Lars Eller type complete player who plays a strong Center game with great Faceoff skills who will be ready as Dvorak's deal ends

But i wouldnt trade him unless we were getting a Dufour, Bellows and a 1st in 2023 type return
Increase our odds in next years draft which many consider deepest since Matthews draft
Dufour is a more Compact version of Anderson who's a Quebec Born Goal Scorer so MTL would love that

I wouldnt give him away but i would take an overpay

27 juin 2022 à 3 h 21

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Andy_Dick

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Quoting: Billy739

Yeah, if Lambert is there, correct but doubtful. Hard to see a team like the Sens pass on him (unless they trade the pick) and as you said he started the year as a top5 pick. I could add Kemell to that list as well but i think hes guaranteed top10. Who really knows. This draft is so wide open because so many teams are in cap trouble and are open to trade picks. Meanwhile teams like the Habs and Ducks both have 4 picks in the top 2 rounds and are looking to move up.

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27 juin 2022 à 3 h 39

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Billy739

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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great

Kemmel to me is going 5th or 6th OA
On paper people will argue he's a winger and there's more value in others in the draft

My argument is he's 1/3 NHL ready players including Wright ,Slafkovsky and Kemmel
Of the 3 Kemmel is by far the most prepared to play in a Mens Pro League

While many place value on Longterm
There's teams like PHI who could see their D core is good but a Kemmel on Wing could really go a long way
CBJ could also see value in taking him for the same reason

Outside those 3 all the rest as players who will need minimum 1 year development and that will always effect where people are picked.
Its why i dont think Cooley will go top 3 either over Wright , Slappy and Savoie
Size is the only reason many count him out same as they did Caufield,Gaudreau,Debrincat,ext and as time goes on these players arent falling as far in the draft
That said ARZ has 3rd OA so they'll probably choose someone projected 8th-14th like last time they had a top 5 pick hahaha

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