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Équipe: 2022-23 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 16 juin 2022
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  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (NJD)
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  1. Anderson, Josh
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Why would Montreal move Anderson for less value than what the 2nd OVA pick is? Since the player projected to go 2nd OVA is basically just a younger version of Anderson who has not proved anything to date? To me (and this is just my opinion here) Anderson would have more value than Slafkovsky since Slaf only has about a 10-20% chance of being better and a 50-60% chance at being the same player as Anderson and a 20-40% chance of not being as good. Anderson is already established and Slaf has 5 goals in 31 games in a men's league. How do you plan to suggest to Hughes that he should move Josh for a player (12 OVA) who has a 50% chance to be no more than a 3rd line player and a 50% chance of not even making the NHL? If Anderson is the player Slafkovsky could "potentially" be, why doe he have less value in fans eyes?
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16 juin 2022 à 13 h 51
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Um .. seriously? Age, contract, the fact he can be developed into what they want him to be

You aren’t trying to say Anderson is worth 2OA are you???
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16 juin 2022 à 13 h 52
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I can't believe you are serious ...
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16 juin 2022 à 13 h 53
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Because that's how prospects are valued. If Slafkovsky has a 10% chance of being better than Anderson he's doing it for 925K for the first 3 years then probably under 3M for the next few until then when he's paid like Anderson to be better or equal to than Anderson. Also moving the 2nd overall for a guy with 5 years at 5.5M as opposed to at least 7 years of control with a lower cap hit for most of those years is where a lot of the value is derived from. Teams like to have control of their prospects and develop them their own way, there's a ton of value in that.
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16 juin 2022 à 13 h 54
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Because Slafkovsky will get better and Anderson definitely will not. His best season was 3 years ago. Anderson also doesn't know how to pass the puck.

Assume this is a troll though.
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16 juin 2022 à 13 h 56
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Quoting: yycofred
Because that's how prospects are valued. If Slafkovsky has a 10% chance of being better than Anderson he's doing it for 925K for the first 3 years then probably under 3M for the next few until then when he's paid like Anderson to be better or equal to than Anderson. Also moving the 2nd overall for a guy with 5 years at 5.5M as opposed to at least 7 years of control with a lower cap hit for most of those years is where a lot of the value is derived from. Teams like to have control of their prospects and develop them their own way, there's a ton of value in that.


You couldn't have said it better
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16 juin 2022 à 13 h 57
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Because Slafkovsky will get better and Anderson definitely will not. His best season was 3 years ago. Anderson also doesn't know how to pass the puck.

Assume this is a troll though.


Why is Slafkovsky so well liked? He was great at the Olympics, but so was Leo Komarov lmao. Wasn’t exactly the best quality of competition.
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16 juin 2022 à 13 h 57
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Um .. seriously? Age, contract, the fact he can be developed into what they want him to be

You aren’t trying to say Anderson is worth 2OA are you???


No, no definitely not saying Josh is worth 2nd OVA. My question is more of why do fans think Josh's value is so low? Obvioulsy the chance of Slafkovsky turning into a LeClair or a Iginla increases his value. Fans see Josh as either a cap dump or only worth a prospect who has a 50\50 shot at making the NHL, why? He is an established top 6 winger on a league average contract for a player of his calibre.
16 juin 2022 à 13 h 59
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No, no definitely not saying Josh is worth 2nd OVA. My question is more of why do fans think Josh's value is so low? Obvioulsy the chance of Slafkovsky turning into a LeClair or a Iginla increases his value. Fans see Josh as either a cap dump or only worth a prospect who has a 50\50 shot at making the NHL, why? He is an established top 6 winger on a league average contract for a player of his calibre.


He is not a top 6 winger and he is overpaid
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16 juin 2022 à 14 h 1
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we could trade for a huge rfa or josh Anderson😂😂😂 with that pick. easy devils decline
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16 juin 2022 à 14 h 3
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No, no definitely not saying Josh is worth 2nd OVA. My question is more of why do fans think Josh's value is so low? Obvioulsy the chance of Slafkovsky turning into a LeClair or a Iginla increases his value. Fans see Josh as either a cap dump or only worth a prospect who has a 50\50 shot at making the NHL, why? He is an established top 6 winger on a league average contract for a player of his calibre.


No offense but how would you like it if isles fans posted 100 ACGM’s a day where we trade Josh Bailey for the first pick and Cole Caufield? Btw you also have to trade ur other first and Suzuki for Jake Muzzin.
16 juin 2022 à 14 h 3
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He is not a top 6 winger and he is overpaid


Where does he play? Right top 6 wing and he would on most other teams in the league as well. He makes the same or less than players who play his style of game (Kreider and Kane with SJ) so he is not overpaid.
16 juin 2022 à 14 h 4
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Where does he play? Right top 6 wing and he would on most other teams in the league as well. He makes the same or less than players who play his style of game (Kreider and Kane with SJ) so he is not overpaid.


Both of those guys r way better than him
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16 juin 2022 à 14 h 4
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we could trade for a huge rfa or josh Anderson😂😂😂 with that pick. easy devils decline


It was not a trade sorry for your confusion
16 juin 2022 à 14 h 5
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Where does he play? Right top 6 wing and he would on most other teams in the league as well. He makes the same or less than players who play his style of game (Kreider and Kane with SJ) so he is not overpaid.


Look. No offense but I’m assuming u read too many stories by bloggers. Isles fans do too.
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16 juin 2022 à 14 h 6
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Because you’re wayyyyyyyy overvaluing Anderson. He’s broken 40 points once, his contract is not great, and 2OA isn’t anywhere close to appropriate value for some hits.
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16 juin 2022 à 14 h 8
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Where does he play? Right top 6 wing and he would on most other teams in the league as well. He makes the same or less than players who play his style of game (Kreider and Kane with SJ) so he is not overpaid.



Lmao
He plays top six on a horrible team and all his metrics show he’s anything but a top 6 player
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16 juin 2022 à 14 h 10
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Lmao
He plays top six on a horrible team and all his metrics show he’s anything but a top 6 player


Someone please make an ACGM with offering Bailey and the 13th pick for Josh Anderson and 1st overall lmao
16 juin 2022 à 14 h 13
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Both of those guys r way better than him


We can compare Anderson to Kreider Wilson Kane but those guys get it done more than Anderson + Anderson can't stay healthy. But the skillset are pretty similar
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16 juin 2022 à 14 h 14
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Where does he play? Right top 6 wing and he would on most other teams in the league as well. He makes the same or less than players who play his style of game (Kreider and Kane with SJ) so he is not overpaid.


Kane and Kreider are far better players than Anderson. Anderson is an overpaid middle 6 winger, who’s contract will be an anchor as soon as next season. Kreider just had more goals than Anderson has ever had points. Kane was almost a goal a game in the playoffs, and his point total in only 43 games this season would be Anderson’s 2nd best mark of his career
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16 juin 2022 à 14 h 14
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We can compare Anderson to Kreider Wilson Kane but those guys get it done more than Anderson + Anderson can't stay healthy. But the skillset are pretty similar


The skill set isn’t similar because of the difference in talent
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16 juin 2022 à 14 h 17
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The skill set isn’t similar because of the difference in talent


Fair enough
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16 juin 2022 à 14 h 18
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I got a question? How did you all view Lehkonen before he was traded to Avs? 3rd line winger? If yes, why is he in top 6 of avs? Anderson would also probably be in the top 6 in there due to his skillset. Is he worth 2 oa? Def not, mid 1st round and maybe another 2nd or 3rd rounder but thats about it.
16 juin 2022 à 14 h 20
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I got a question? How did you all view Lehkonen before he was traded to Avs? 3rd line winger? If yes, why is he in top 6 of avs? Anderson would also probably be in the top 6 in there due to his skillset. Is he worth 2 oa? Def not, mid 1st round and maybe another 2nd or 3rd rounder but thats about it.


Lehkonen is cheaper and better
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16 juin 2022 à 14 h 21
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Josh Anderson has not been above replacement level since 2018-2019. He's legitimately a bad player.

Just double checked. Josh Anderson was 683rd in the league this year in total WAR. Out of 892 players total.
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16 juin 2022 à 14 h 23
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Lehkonen is cheaper and better


Yet ppl were saying he wasnt worth a 1st rounder, yet, here we are, we got a 1st (barron) and a 2nd while everyone were saying he wasnt worth that.
 
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