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Gibson

Créé par: Chopper02
Équipe: 2022-23 Devils du New Jersey
Date de création initiale: 9 juin 2022
Publié: 9 juin 2022
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Not sure if Jersey wants to nab a goalie or give their current bunch a shot, but thought it interesting.
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  1. Gibson, John
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  1. Blackwood, Mackenzie
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9 juin 2022 à 9 h 40
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Not sure how I feel about using Gibson to move up like this
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9 juin 2022 à 9 h 45
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Not sure how I feel about using Gibson to move up like this


It could be 100% bias on my end, but I wouldn't do it. Maybe 22OA and something plus Gibby, but I also wouldn't do that if I was NJ...
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9 juin 2022 à 9 h 45
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Ducks add at least a future first, probably more. This would be a massive mistake for NJD in my opinion, and I will keep on banging the drum about Gibson being a pretty bad goalie for the last three years straight.
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9 juin 2022 à 9 h 47
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Ducks add at least a future first, probably more. This would be a massive mistake for NJD in my opinion, and I will keep on banging the drum about Gibson being a pretty bad goalie for the last three years straight.


10 OA+Gibson+another 1st? Not a chance. Will you also bang the "Mannnn Blackwood be realllll bad" drum at the same time?
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9 juin 2022 à 9 h 48
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It could be 100% bias on my end, but I wouldn't do it. Maybe 22OA and something plus Gibby, but I also wouldn't do that if I was NJ...


I’m with that 22OA to trade up but I don’t see the value in 10OA

If it was 2023 and this was for Bedard though … let’s party
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9 juin 2022 à 9 h 49
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Quoting: Lenny7
10 OA+Gibson+another 1st? Not a chance.


Yes the jump from 10 OA to 2 OA is massive and not made up for by just Gibson, who has been a below average goalie for three straight years and still has 5 years left on his current deal.

If I were NJD I would ask for 10 OA + 22 OA + 42 OA + Gibson at least
9 juin 2022 à 9 h 52
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Quoting: Lenny7
It could be 100% bias on my end, but I wouldn't do it. Maybe 22OA and something plus Gibby, but I also wouldn't do that if I was NJ...


My thought was, not being a fan of either team, Blackwood gets a fresh start with a slightly younger team where he can still grow, and Gibson can go to a team that seems poised to make a push in a couple years.
My question is, who at number 10 would Anaheim have just as much interest in than say Cooley or Slafkovsky?
9 juin 2022 à 9 h 55
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Quoting: GeneralLandro
I’m with that 22OA to trade up but I don’t see the value in 10OA

If it was 2023 and this was for Bedard though … let’s party


Similar question I asked Lenny, whom at number 10 would the ducks have interest in on the same level of Slafkovsky or Cooley?
This trade could also increase the chances for the Ducks to get Bedard next year since Gibson steals games for then
9 juin 2022 à 9 h 58
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Yes the jump from 10 OA to 2 OA is massive and not made up for by just Gibson, who has been a below average goalie for three straight years and still has 5 years left on his current deal.

If I were NJD I would ask for 10 OA + 22 OA + 42 OA + Gibson at least


And that’s how Verbeek never answers the phone from the Devils ever again
9 juin 2022 à 9 h 59
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Similar question I asked Lenny, whom at number 10 would the ducks have interest in on the same level of Slafkovsky or Cooley?
This trade could also increase the chances for the Ducks to get Bedard next year since Gibson steals games for then


I’m not totally sure but I think if we do trade him we could get more all around than what the value is using him to jump up a handful of spots
9 juin 2022 à 10 h 2
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Yes the jump from 10 OA to 2 OA is massive and not made up for by just Gibson, who has been a below average goalie for three straight years and still has 5 years left on his current deal.

If I were NJD I would ask for 10 OA + 22 OA + 42 OA + Gibson at least


Yeah, thankfully Pat Verbeek hasn't shown that he's that big of an idiot. There's nobody at 2OA that's a franchise player.
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9 juin 2022 à 10 h 5
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I’m not totally sure but I think if we do trade him we could get more all around than what the value is using him to jump up a handful of spots


Fair enough. Just didn't think Jersey would want the 22oa since they're giving up Blackwood in this scenario as well.
9 juin 2022 à 10 h 6
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My thought was, not being a fan of either team, Blackwood gets a fresh start with a slightly younger team where he can still grow, and Gibson can go to a team that seems poised to make a push in a couple years.
My question is, who at number 10 would Anaheim have just as much interest in than say Cooley or Slafkovsky?


I mean, the Ducks are equally well positioned to make a push though, right? If not in better shape? I mean, don't get me wrong, I'd love to add Cooley, but he's not necessarily a need. I'd imagine if they had 2OA, they'd be going after either Jiricek or Nemec, both of whom would be a reach at that position. If anything, I'd be more interested in trying for 5 or 6 OA.
9 juin 2022 à 10 h 8
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I dont even consider this if Im Verbeek, and theres no chance I even entertain the idea of adding anything let alone another first+

I would want NJ to add another first here (Which NJ should not do), if not no deal to be had
9 juin 2022 à 10 h 11
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Shirley, the Devils can spend 6m and find a goalie as good as Gibson, and keep the second overalll pick. Can't see Jersey really liking the deal. And Gibson's NTC certainly is a factor.
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9 juin 2022 à 10 h 13
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I’m not totally sure but I think if we do trade him we could get more all around than what the value is using him to jump up a handful of spots


10 OA to 2 OA is not a handful of spots lmao
9 juin 2022 à 10 h 13
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I dont even consider this if Im Verbeek, and theres no chance I even entertain the idea of adding anything let alone another first+

I would want NJ to add another first here (Which NJ should not do), if not no deal to be had


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Yeah, thankfully Pat Verbeek hasn't shown that he's that big of an idiot. There's nobody at 2OA that's a franchise player.


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I’m not totally sure but I think if we do trade him we could get more all around than what the value is using him to jump up a handful of spots


Makes no sense to me why Devils should be in for paying an exorbitant amount of assets for a goalie that hasn't played particularly well for two seasons by now.
Nevermind his remaining 6.5m CAP HIT FOR FIVE MORE YEARS.
Gibson is all hype, little substance.

Would much prefer the Devils going for guys in FA like Campbell, Husso, Kuemper.
Or trade for someone like Talbot, Allen or Vanecek.
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9 juin 2022 à 10 h 26
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I mean, the Ducks are equally well positioned to make a push though, right? If not in better shape? I mean, don't get me wrong, I'd love to add Cooley, but he's not necessarily a need. I'd imagine if they had 2OA, they'd be going after either Jiricek or Nemec, both of whom would be a reach at that position. If anything, I'd be more interested in trying for 5 or 6 OA.


I dont think Anaheim is as close as New Jersey, especially with Getz retiring, though the Pacific is a much more open division than the Metro right now.
9 juin 2022 à 10 h 38
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I dont think Anaheim is as close as New Jersey, especially with Getz retiring, though the Pacific is a much more open division than the Metro right now.


The biggest thing holding the Ducks back will be Dallas Eakins.

Tons of cap space. Great farm. Excellent young core. Absolutely need to make some additions, but GMPV did an excellent job at the deadline, and will *hopefully* use some of those assets to improve the roster.

But yeah, you're absolutely in for a tough time in the Metro.
9 juin 2022 à 10 h 46
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The jump in GSVA value from #10(6.0) to #2(12.3) is 6.3 - if you think Gibson outperforms Blackwood by that much, I think you can justify the value. I just don't think he can do that anymore - Gibson's GSVA over the past 3 years have been -0.1, 1.0, and -0.3 - basically hovering around replacement level. Blackwood is similar with bigger swings - his last 3 seasons are 1.5, -0.5, and -1.7. So one year of being a good goalie, one league average, one bad.

I'd argue that you're more likely to see a reversal from the 25 year old goalie than the 29 year old one, so if I'm the Devils I pass on this unless the Ducks add more.
 
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