Sandin/Liljgren and 2022 1st just to start a convo imo

Boston isn't help TOR fix their issues on the back end lol

“Everything” - Thanos

I think Sandin and/or Liljgren is non starters. Probably starts with Niemela+

Willy

Toronto Really doesn’t have issues on the back end. In the crease they do but not on the back end lol

If it’s for Willy it’s probably Debrusk+ Carlo for Willy. 80 point players don’t grow in trees in the NHL.

Depends if they want retool or rebuild imo

If Pasta is traded it’s a rebuild if they move some of the older players then a retool

Great so then you have no reason to trade for Carlo

You’re trying to trade for a 25 year old top four d man with five years of term….and 22 and 23 year olds that are in and out of the lineup are off limits? Cmon dude.

The answer to your original question is, “not available.” It would take something ludicrous to get boston to help out toronto.

They're literally the players in Toronto that you're trading for Carlo to be better than. If Boston is moving contracts like this, they are presumably going to want young, roster-ready players to fill the holes they're creating so it's at least a competitive team. Carlo is 25, an established top 4 D on a strong defensive team, on a relatively affordable deal with term (5x$4.1M). If you can't trade some of your best prospects for a guy like that, then you're not going to *get* a guy like that.

A contending team won’t subtract from their roster. They’ll add hence why I said they’ll trade Niemela, Knies, Robertson and etc.



Like I said previously contending teams won’t subtract from their active roster. They’ll trade prospects who aren’t NHL contributors as yet like Niemela, Robertson, Knies and etc.

…so if you have the opportunity to get better in an area you don’t take the opportunity. Just a naive comment when inquiring about an availability of a player when it came out Boston might be rebuilding/retooling

Leafs have no need for anymore Dmen. Liljegren will most likely be ahead of Carlo by the end of the season. I like Carlo a lot but it's just not a priority right now. Leafs have 7 nhl Dmen capable of playing top 4.

I’d offer Hronek + from Detroit so you’d have to beat that but doubtful considering you have Liljegren and Sandin off limits.

So if they rebuild/re-tool they'll want to trade a 25yr old Top 4 RHD signed long-term vs building around him

Seriously why would Boston send a key pieces of their defense to their division rival?

Is Carlo a complimentary piece or is the driving factor. That’s the questions you gotta ask when thinking about building around a player like him.

From what I’ve seen he ain’t the player you build around. That’s David Pastarnak, Charlie McAvoy and Jeremy Swayman. Anything else is up for grabs but that’s my opinion and you’re entitled to yours.

Agree, he’s the perfect partner for Rielly but Liljegren can develop into that but with a larger offensive side. However Liljegren won’t have the same physicality Carlo would bring

He's their PK horse and asked to shutdown other teams better players. He's in that group of guys you build around. Boston also lack depth at RD after McAvoy and Carlo. If they traded Carlo they'd have a good size hole to fill on their defense.

That’s looking at it from short term perspective. That’s saying yea we will tank next year but make the playoffs the year after.

It would make more sense to get back Niemela an RHD behind McAvoy and draft players to complement the pieces in place like Pasta, McAvoy and Swayman. Maybe trade Marchand team like NJD who are trying to contend for 2OA+ More assets and draft Cooley.

Just an idea but it would an ideal direction for the Bruins as they won’t be able to compete with Toronto, Florida, and plus they have Detroit and Ottawa looking to take steps

Sandin has played 88 NHL games; LIljegren has played 74. These are the guys that basically rotated in and out of your 3rd pair this past season and played 39 total minutes out of the 438 minutes Toronto was alive in the playoffs for (Sandin did not get into a game and Liljegren only played the first 2). These are not your "core" guys, they are the guys you would be *upgrading* by trading them for a guy like Carlo.

To put it another way: let's say Boston did accept a package centered around Knies and you got Carlo - who is he pushing out of the lineup? You've already got 5 defensemen with contracts for next year and Lily & Sandin's RFA rights. Presumably your opening night pairs look like: Rielly-Brodie, Muzzin-Liljegren, and Giordano, Holl, & Sandin making up the 3rd pair. If you add Carlo into that mix, one of those dudes has to slide off the roster - and it isn't going to be one of the 5 dudes that you have under contract already.

Niemela has a higher ceiling than Hronek. All I’ve said is that contending team won’t subtract to add like we have in this case with Sandin and Liljegren. They’ll add but subtract from their prospect pool. Players like Knies, Niemela and Robertson carry great value around the league and would be apart of trade for Carlo is we did one

Holl isn’t on the team next year and Gio is 38. We are subtracting if we lose Liljegren and/or Sandin. They’re 23 or younger and have shown immense potential. If we get Carlo we’d probably go:

Rielly-Carlo
Muzzin-Brodie
Sandin-Liljegren
Gio

Easily one of the deepest d-core in the league especially since Muzz and Gio are on the wrong side of 30

I mean you can keep just wishing Holl disappears, but it isn't that easy. And no team is going to trade a 25 y/o top 4 D on a team-friendly deal for a package headlined by Matt Knies and a late 1st - you never see them pop on the trade market. The last comparable you can even point to is when the Rangers traded for Jacob Trouba - and they gave up a young D with some NHL experience in Neal Pionk *plus* a first rounder just for Trouba's RFA rights - Carlo is signed to an affordable hit with term. You've got to give up something equivalent to get in the door, and guys that haven't had more than a handful of games of NHL experience aren't going to cut it.

editing to add: it also is kind of funny that your post is asking what people think the cost for Carlo is going to be and then saying "oh no, i don't want to pay that, boston will just have to accept this lesser package if they're rebuilding i guess"