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Scheifele

Créé par: Bruins1054_gmb
Date de création initiale: 6 juin 2022
Publié: 6 juin 2022
Équipe: 2022-23 Bruins de Boston
Explications
I already understand that Bruins fans will tell me it's too much and that Scheifele doesn't fit the Bruins mold, and Jets fans will say the deal doesn't happen without Carlo or Lysell.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Ahcan, Jack2800 000 $
Filipe, Matt1750 000 $
Keyser, Kyle2762 500 $
Wolff, Nick1750 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Bergeron, Patrice14 000 000 $
Brown, Joshua1900 000 $
Frödén, Jesper1750 000 $
Lewington, Tyler1750 000 $
Deslauriers, Nicolas31 750 000 $
Transactions
1.
BOS
  1. Scheifele, Mark
WPG
  1. Studnicka, Jack [Droits de RFA]
  2. DeBrusk, Jake
  3. 2023 1e round pick (BOS)
  4. 2022 2e round pick (BOS)
2.
BOS
  1. 2023 4e round pick (NYI)
  2. 2023 7e round pick (NYI)
Discount price due to Reilly's injury
NYI
  1. Reilly, Mike
Rachats de contrats
  • Nick Foligno: 1 933 334 $
Enfoui
  • Chris Wagner: 225 000 $ (1 350 000 $)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
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Logo de OTT
2023
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Logo de NYI
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Logo de BOS
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Logo de NYI
2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2382 500 000 $66 771 251 $0 $2 650 000 $15 728 749 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de BOS
Hall, Taylor
6 000 000 $
AG
NMC NTC
UFA - 3
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Scheifele, Mark
6 125 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 2
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Pastrnak, David
6 666 667 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
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Haula, Erik
2 375 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
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Bergeron, Patrice
4 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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Smith, Craig
3 100 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
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Frederic, Trent
1 050 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
Logo de BOS
Coyle, Charlie
5 250 000 $
C, AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de BOS
McLaughlin, Marc
883 750 $
C
RFA - 1
Deslauriers, Nicolas
1 750 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de BOS
Nosek, Tomas
1 750 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de BOS
Steen, Oskar
800 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
Logo de BOS
Koppanen, Joona
750 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
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Frödén, Jesper
750 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Lindholm, Hampus
6 500 000 $
DG
NMC NTC
UFA - 8
Logo de BOS
Carlo, Brandon
4 100 000 $
DD
UFA - 5
Logo de BOS
Swayman, Jeremy
925 000 $
G
RFA - 1
Logo de BOS
Forbort, Derek
3 000 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de BOS
Clifton, Connor
1 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de BOS
Ullmark, Linus
5 000 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de BOS
Zboril, Jakub
1 137 500 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
Logo de BOS
Brown, Joshua
900 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
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Ahcan, Jack
800 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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McAvoy, Charlie
9 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 8
Logo de BOS
Marchand, Brad
6 125 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de BOS
Grzelcyk, Matt
3 687 500 $
DG
UFA - 2

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Pastrnak, D.
Bergeron, P.
Hall, T.
Scheifele, M.
Lindholm, H.
Avantage numérique 2
Haula, E.
Coyle, C.
Smith, C.
Zboril, J.
Clifton, C.
Infériorité numérique 1
Bergeron, P.
Haula, E.
Forbort, D.
Carlo, B.
Infériorité numérique 2
Nosek, T.
Steen, O.
Lindholm, H.
Brown, J.

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6 juin à 12 h 44
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I just don’t see why the Jets would trade a 1C for a likely late 1st, middle 6 winger who requested a trade, a 2nd, and a meh prospect
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6 juin à 12 h 51
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what happens when those guys come off ltir
6 juin à 12 h 56
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Quoting: vr1995
what happens when those guys come off ltir


Ask Vegas and Tampa Bay GMs.
6 juin à 12 h 57
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I think that’s a very fair pricetag for him, but i do think that Boston should look elsewhere. They don’t tend to like guys that disregard defensive responsibility.
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6 juin à 12 h 57
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Quoting: vr1995
what happens when those guys come off ltir


They're royally screwed cap wise.
6 juin à 12 h 58
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Winnipeg declines, they can get a far better offer than this for Mark Scheifele.
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Quoting: Bruins1054_gmb
Ask Vegas and Tampa Bay GMs.


im asking you though, banking on injuries i guess
6 juin à 13 h 5
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Quoting: mv21227
I just don’t see why the Jets would trade a 1C for a likely late 1st, middle 6 winger who requested a trade, a 2nd, and a meh prospect

Well, few things here:
1. The trade request doesn’t matter in terms of value. Sweeney has made it clear that he’s not shipping him out if he doesn’t like the return, debrusk signed an extension and said he was okay staying there for the duration of it. It’s a non factor.
2. What more would they get? For the most part i agree with your assessment of hte package, though I would definitely call debrusk a top six winger rather than a middle six winger. Guys in their late 20s don’t get these transformative packages. First, second, top six 25 year old and a prospect is fine. You’re going to struggle to find instances of more being shipped out.
3. Is he really a number 1C? I guess it depends on the definition. He’s a good player, and ya, he puts up points, but holy hell is he a liability defensively.
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6 juin à 13 h 6
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Quoting: vr1995
what happens when those guys come off ltir

It actually fits really well. All are expected to miss at least 25% of the season. Plenty of room.
6 juin à 13 h 14
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Quoting: TampaBayLightning22
Winnipeg declines, they can get a far better offer than this for Mark Scheifele.


"Far better" would be surprising given that he's close to 30 and a liability defensively.
6 juin à 13 h 16
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The Jets aren't trading Scheifele for a pile of nothing. The only piece with any significant value is the late first and that isn't close to enough.
6 juin à 13 h 17
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im asking you though, banking on injuries i

Waiving Brown and Ahcan and sending Mclaughlin down would require at most an additional $2M to clear.
6 juin à 13 h 19
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Quoting: Windjammer
The Jets aren't trading Scheifele for a pile of nothing. The only piece with any significant value is the late first and that isn't close to enough.


Already acknowledged that Jets fans would say something like that in the description. I think Jets fans overestimate what the return would be.
6 juin à 13 h 19
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Quoting: Bruins1054_gmb
"Far better" would be surprising given that he's close to 30 and a liability defensively.


He still gets a better offer than DeBrusk, Studnicka and a late 1st and 2nd round pick.
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6 juin à 13 h 19
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Quoting: TampaBayLightning22
They're royally screwed cap wise.


How? Under the cap by a country mile.
6 juin à 13 h 20
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Quoting: TampaBayLightning22
He still gets a better offer than Debrusk, Studnicka and a late 1st and 2nd round pick.

Find an instance of a similar player getting moved for more than that. Anyone will do.
6 juin à 13 h 20
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im asking you though, banking on injuries i guess

They already have the injuries….
6 juin à 13 h 24
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Quoting: Bruins1054_gmb
Already acknowledged that Jets fans would say something like that in the description. I think Jets fans overestimate what the return would be.


I’m not a jets fan. Don’t see how that gets a 1C with term. Not close really.
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6 juin à 13 h 26
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Quoting: glarson17
I’m not a jets fan. Don’t see how that gets a 1C with term. Not close really.


Either way. Statement still stands, minus the Jets fan.
6 juin à 13 h 31
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Quoting: Bruins1054_gmb
Already acknowledged that Jets fans would say something like that in the description. I think Jets fans overestimate what the return would be.


It's more like Bruins fans overestimate what a player that has requested a trade and a bust will get them. All fans think they can get an impact player for their disappointing throw away scraps though, so you're not alone.
6 juin à 13 h 33
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How? Under the cap by a country mile.


Really? Not at that current cap space you're not. $15,728,749- Charlie McAvoy $9,500,000+Brad Marchand $6,125,000 and Matt Grzelcyk $3,687,500 = 19,312,500

$15,728,749-19,312,500= -$3,583,751

You have a deficit of $3,583,751 when all are off LTIR That's hardly under the cap ny a country mile
6 juin à 13 h 39
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Really? Not at that current cap space you're not. $15,728,749- Charlie McAvoy $9,500,000+Brad Marchand $6,125,000 and Matt Grzelcyk $3,687,500 = 19,312,500

$15,728,749-19,312,500= -$3,583,751

You have a deficit of $3,583,751 when all are off LTIR That's hardly under the cap ny a country mile


They’re all expected to miss a quarter of the season+. Multiply that 19M number by .75 an try again.
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6 juin à 13 h 40
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Quoting: Windjammer
It's more like Bruins fans overestimate what a player that has requested a trade and a bust will get them. All fans think they can get an impact player for their disappointing throw away scraps though, so you're not alone.


Look at the Eichel trade. This proposal is very similar and Eichel had more value than Scheifele.
6 juin à 13 h 42
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Quoting: TampaBayLightning22
Really? Not at that current cap space you're not. $15,728,749- Charlie McAvoy $9,500,000+Brad Marchand $6,125,000 and Matt Grzelcyk $3,687,500 = 19,312,500

$15,728,749-19,312,500= -$3,583,751

You have a deficit of $3,583,751 when all are off LTIR That's hardly under the cap ny a country mile


You're also not taking into consideration the cap hits of players that will be removed from the roster after those 3 players return.
6 juin à 13 h 46
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
They’re all expected to miss a quarter of the season+. Multiply that 19M number by .75 an try again.


On what planet? They're all 6 month recovery times. I don't know about you. but that comes to late November early December hardly 1/4 of the season.

And FYI that only eats real money not the cap hit which still remains the same.
 
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