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Hoping to Fix the D

Créé par: NoDeke
Équipe: 2022-23 Jets de Winnipeg
Date de création initiale: 3 mars 2022
Publié: 8 mars 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Check out the Episode 80 of the "Couch On Ice" Podcast (1:52:20 - End) as we breakdown our thoughts on this Arm Chair. And what we think of the Jets with this the move proposed here.

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2022 2nd round pick
Cruz Lucius
Forward -- shoots R
Born Apr 5 2004 -- Grant, MN
Height 6.00 -- Weight 177 [183 cm/80 kg]
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COL
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Stastny, Paul ($1,875,000 retained)
2022 6th sent to 3rd party team to retained Statsny another 50%
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    signs 6yr $40M contract
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    Beaulieu, Nathan
    Assuming MTL has interest to signs Beaulieu as a 6th 7th d-man. If not he doesn't need to be in the deal.
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        8 mars 2022 à 12 h 48
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        I like the Stastny move from COLs perspective
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        8 mars 2022 à 12 h 49
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        Even if Petry was cool with going to Winnipeg (and I doubt he is), I really don't see why Montreal would entertain that.
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        8 mars 2022 à 12 h 57
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        Quoting: Burnout
        Even if Petry was cool with going to Winnipeg (and I doubt he is), I really don't see why Montreal would entertain that.


        A 3rd round pick may not be enough for them to make a trade for little to no reason. I feel ya man, cuz I do feel the same. It doesnt do much for Montreal, maybe they can move Schmidt for something decent later. I thought it was very interesting and am wondering what people think. If theres a deal there because I am Interested in Petry on this Jets team.
        8 mars 2022 à 13 h 6
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        The Jets forwards need fixing, their defense is fine.
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        8 mars 2022 à 13 h 12
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        Quoting: MisstheWhalers
        The Jets forwards need fixing, their defense is fine.


        Something off, Im not saying its bad. But its not working for them to win games. Also needs some more size. Its fine. Im hoping to make is solid. And I think if they can get the right pieces that make Pionk and Morrisey better, that will make the forward group much better. There not winning and they should be so it needs to be tweaked... personally
        8 mars 2022 à 13 h 18
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        Quoting: NoDeke
        A 3rd round pick may not be enough for them to make a trade for little to no reason. I feel ya man, cuz I do feel the same. It doesnt do much for Montreal, maybe they can move Schmidt for something decent later. I thought it was very interesting and am wondering what people think. If theres a deal there because I am Interested in Petry on this Jets team.


        A lot can change from now to the end of the season, petry wants out of canada but maybe till then all the restrictions will be lifted and he'll change his mind, but even if he'll agree to do that there's literally nothing in it for the habs. Maybe if schmidt was a RD they'd think even start to think about it and but he isn't so yeah...


        MTL were pretty clear with the intention of the petry situation moving forward and your suggestion is far from that
        8 mars 2022 à 13 h 20
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        Quoting: NoDeke
        Something off, Im not saying its bad. But its not working for them to win games. Also needs some more size. Its fine. Im hoping to make is solid. And I think if they can get the right pieces that make Pionk and Morrisey better, that will make the forward group much better. There not winning and they should be so it needs to be tweaked... personally


        It does need more size I agree about that but their forward talent is REALLY lacking outside of four or five guys.

        They only have four true top 6 talent, their bottom six is bad and contributes next to nothing on the scoresheet which is what really kills them. Wheeler is at best a 3rd liner now yet plays 20 minutes a game, they gain the offensive zone yet almost never accomplish much, their high danger chances really aren't that dangerous, the forward group needs a big overhaul.

        The best dmen aren't making this forward group much better then they already are, the Jets get about 32% of their offense from their dmen which is 3rd in the league, their dmen aren't their problem.
        8 mars 2022 à 13 h 32
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        Quoting: SMH
        A lot can change from now to the end of the season, petry wants out of canada but maybe till then all the restrictions will be lifted and he'll change his mind, but even if he'll agree to do that there's literally nothing in it for the habs. Maybe if schmidt was a RD they'd think even start to think about it and but he isn't so yeah...


        MTL were pretty clear with the intention of the petry situation moving forward and your suggestion is far from that


        Schmidt is Left but has and does play alot of RD so hes fine for that but yes very left handed. Originally i was going to make it an offseason move cuz like you said, things could change. but ya wondering what it would take to make it happen right now.
        8 mars 2022 à 13 h 33
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        There are some fairly bad deals for the Jets here.

        Winnipeg doesn't need another LD, so there's no need to throw away their 22 1st on another one. The Jets should not entertain trading their 1st this year.

        If the Jets area taking a chance and taking Nolan back for Copp, Vegas would need to add something better than a low end, unneeded player.

        Petry is regressing really hard, the Jets need to absolutely avoid getting saddled with Petry's contract, if he'd even waive for Winnipeg.

        It's pointless to throw away two young players for a low pick from the Islanders.
        8 mars 2022 à 13 h 44
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        Islanders trade doesn't make a ton of sense to me, from the Winnipeg side. Stanley is a young, cost-controlled LD at this point in his career - he's had some NHL experience and has actually been a pretty solid play drive with Dylan DeMelo at even strength (they're getting 53% of chances, 55.2% of shots, and outscoring opponents 9-5 at ES). I think a 2nd is fair-ish value for his play so far, but he's also only 23 and signed to a reasonable deal ($900K next season). I think he's better than Erik Gustafsson, who you basically have taking over his roster spot here.

        Comrie is also probably more valuable to Winnipeg than the Islanders, so it's weird to trade him. You have Tokarski signing for $750K, the same dollar amount Comrie is getting this year (and would probably re-sign for close to next year) and is putting up fine numbers this year (2.47 GAA, .914 SV%, 1.4 GSAA in 9 starts.) When you have Hellebuyck, you really don't need to devote a ton of assets to that backup tender, and I think Comrie has developed into a fine player to fill that spot, rather than an AHL/NHL tweener like Tokarski.
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        8 mars 2022 à 13 h 45
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        Quoting: MisstheWhalers
        It does need more size I agree about that but their forward talent is REALLY lacking outside of four or five guys.

        They only have four true top 6 talent, their bottom six is bad and contributes next to nothing on the scoresheet which is what really kills them. Wheeler is at best a 3rd liner now yet plays 20 minutes a game, they gain the offensive zone yet almost never accomplish much, their high danger chances really aren't that dangerous, the forward group needs a big overhaul.

        The best dmen aren't making this forward group much better then they already are, the Jets get about 32% of their offense from their dmen which is 3rd in the league, their dmen aren't their problem.


        Sorry im not trying to undersell their depth issues. If cap goes up I can sign someone at $2M to help a bit or trade Demelo and do something there. They defiantly lean on their top guys too much, But I do think when Healthy, and if big guys play consistent the top 6 should be fine. Wheeler def a 3rd liner but good on the powerplay and i say the same thing about the Jets, they do alot of stuff but its either and extra pass or not or whatever you can think of. How Morrisey and Pionk Effect the play with their awareness and decision making is what worries me, it doesnt turn out very well too many time. Though Pionk has been alot more consistent and reliable. But they gotta take some weight off their shoulders cuz they aint close to #1 d-men that they are attempting to do right now. They are side guys! Dont put complement D-men with them. Maybe Pionk on the second line with a complement guy like Dillon is fine but Morrisey at the least needs someone dope to play with.
        8 mars 2022 à 13 h 52
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        Modifié 8 mars 2022 à 14 h 2
        Quoting: dannibalcorpse
        Islanders trade doesn't make a ton of sense to me, from the Winnipeg side. Stanley is a young, cost-controlled LD at this point in his career - he's had some NHL experience and has actually been a pretty solid play drive with Dylan DeMelo at even strength (they're getting 53% of chances, 55.2% of shots, and outscoring opponents 9-5 at ES). I think a 2nd is fair-ish value for his play so far, but he's also only 23 and signed to a reasonable deal ($900K next season). I think he's better than Erik Gustafsson, who you basically have taking over his roster spot here.

        Comrie is also probably more valuable to Winnipeg than the Islanders, so it's weird to trade him. You have Tokarski signing for $750K, the same dollar amount Comrie is getting this year (and would probably re-sign for close to next year) and is putting up fine numbers this year (2.47 GAA, .914 SV%, 1.4 GSAA in 9 starts.) When you have Hellebuyck, you really don't need to devote a ton of assets to that backup tender, and I think Comrie has developed into a fine player to fill that spot, rather than an AHL/NHL tweener like Tokarski.


        If i can get Comrie on the Cheap i keep him. He seems to be playing pretty good so im wondering if he is looking for a pay day I dont want to give him. Saying you wouldm't trade Stanley and Comrie for CRUZ LUCIUS!!!!tears of joy ya not great could probably do much more there. I don't like Stanley possibly not playing which is why i tossed him away cuz I want Heinola playing full time. If Comrie re-signs for around that then yes im-resigning him. I was also thinking about asking for a Dal Colle or someone with random upside coming back from the Islanders.
        8 mars 2022 à 13 h 53
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        Quoting: dannibalcorpse
        Islanders trade doesn't make a ton of sense to me, from the Winnipeg side. Stanley is a young, cost-controlled LD at this point in his career - he's had some NHL experience and has actually been a pretty solid play drive with Dylan DeMelo at even strength (they're getting 53% of chances, 55.2% of shots, and outscoring opponents 9-5 at ES). I think a 2nd is fair-ish value for his play so far, but he's also only 23 and signed to a reasonable deal ($900K next season). I think he's better than Erik Gustafsson, who you basically have taking over his roster spot here.

        Comrie is also probably more valuable to Winnipeg than the Islanders, so it's weird to trade him. You have Tokarski signing for $750K, the same dollar amount Comrie is getting this year (and would probably re-sign for close to next year) and is putting up fine numbers this year (2.47 GAA, .914 SV%, 1.4 GSAA in 9 starts.) When you have Hellebuyck, you really don't need to devote a ton of assets to that backup tender, and I think Comrie has developed into a fine player to fill that spot, rather than an AHL/NHL tweener like Tokarski.


        "rather than an AHL/NHL tweener like Tokarski."

        I Take offense to that!!! jk i grew up in the same town as him so I 100% pump his tires way more the necessary.
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        8 mars 2022 à 14 h 0
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        Quoting: Windjammer
        There are some fairly bad deals for the Jets here.

        Winnipeg doesn't need another LD, so there's no need to throw away their 22 1st on another one. The Jets should not entertain trading their 1st this year.

        If the Jets area taking a chance and taking Nolan back for Copp, Vegas would need to add something better than a low end, unneeded player.

        Petry is regressing really hard, the Jets need to absolutely avoid getting saddled with Petry's contract, if he'd even waive for Winnipeg.

        It's pointless to throw away two young players for a low pick from the Islanders.


        Isles deal is def pretty weak sauce. Super Risky is what I was going for, but I do think this would work, but so scared of the insane drop off of Talent from Ehlers to Wheeler/Lowry and then who ever you would put at the top of the list 10 players trying to stay in the lineup. I had VGK 2022 2nd rounder instead of the Miromanov initially, but just noticed that guys like 2nd in points on the Silver Kings. Who is this guy? Seems pretty awesome
        8 mars 2022 à 14 h 6
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        Quoting: UpsideDownQue
        I like the Stastny move from COLs perspective


        Stastny & 6th round pick for a 2nd round pick is something the Jets would be happy with.
        8 mars 2022 à 14 h 8
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        Quoting: NoDeke
        Schmidt is Left but has and does play alot of RD so hes fine for that but yes very left handed. Originally i was going to make it an offseason move cuz like you said, things could change. but ya wondering what it would take to make it happen right now.


        Other then getting the 👍 from petry ? This trade isn't happening unless a top prospect comes MTLs way, I'm not gonna start an argument if he deserves such return or not I'll just state what the reports say, both habs and other GMs still look at petry as the player that went to the finals last season so he'll cost or stay..
        8 mars 2022 à 14 h 12
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        Quoting: NoDeke
        Isles deal is def pretty weak sauce. Super Risky is what I was going for, but I do think this would work, but so scared of the insane drop off of Talent from Ehlers to Wheeler/Lowry and then who ever you would put at the top of the list 10 players trying to stay in the lineup. I had VGK 2022 2nd rounder instead of the Miromanov initially, but just noticed that guys like 2nd in points on the Silver Kings. Who is this guy? Seems pretty awesome


        Yeah, there's just no good reason for the Jets to do the Islander trade. It's giving away good young players for a single pick that is at least 3 or 4 years grin getting a chance at the NHL.

        For the Vegas trade, it's just too big a chance to trade the Jets best trade chip in Copp for a constantly injured, unimpressive to date player. Miromanov at 24 should be good in the AHL, so that's no surprise, but at 24 it's not likely transferring to NHL success. If the Jets move Copp, they need a good pick in 22 or a better player/prospect coming back.
        8 mars 2022 à 14 h 26
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        Quoting: Windjammer
        Yeah, there's just no good reason for the Jets to do the Islander trade. It's giving away good young players for a single pick that is at least 3 or 4 years grin getting a chance at the NHL.

        For the Vegas trade, it's just too big a chance to trade the Jets best trade chip in Copp for a constantly injured, unimpressive to date player. Miromanov at 24 should be good in the AHL, so that's no surprise, but at 24 it's not likely transferring to NHL success. If the Jets move Copp, they need a good pick in 22 or a better player/prospect coming back.


        I also hear Vegas is super high on Patrick but man I looked at it like this; Can you steal Patrick, a Winnipeg Native, for Copp. I think if there is another place i want Patrick to succeed, its in WPG. I would hope that trade would bring me all the good juju. Cuz ya like you said with the injury concern, I dont know bad how his future health is looking but i assume he should be able to get back going and its also taking advantage of the fact that Vegas will do anything to win this year seemingly. Man making that trade would be the scariest thing of life. Like ya said Take the picks cuz life is boring.
        8 mars 2022 à 14 h 31
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        Quoting: SMH
        Other then getting the 👍 from petry ? This trade isn't happening unless a top prospect comes MTLs way, I'm not gonna start an argument if he deserves such return or not I'll just state what the reports say, both habs and other GMs still look at petry as the player that went to the finals last season so he'll cost or stay..


        I know what your saying, the value on Petry is absolutely unknown. Thats why maybe MTL would do this, because they are concerned on injury and value decreasing, Schmidt's value aint really decreasing at 28-30. Not getting any good offers would also make them think about this deal. But Im sure someone will give up a 2nd possibly more deeper picks for him. But that No Move is the real pain in the ass. Its more the fit, I think he would work on this team.
        8 mars 2022 à 14 h 38
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        I think that we'll do better than Winnipeg's 2022 first and Brenden Dillon for Hampus Lindholm and Derek Grant.
        8 mars 2022 à 14 h 38
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        Quoting: NoDeke
        I know what your saying, the value on Petry is absolutely unknown. Thats why maybe MTL would do this, because they are concerned on injury and value decreasing, Schmidt's value aint really decreasing at 28-30. Not getting any good offers would also make them think about this deal. But Im sure someone will give up a 2nd possibly more deeper picks for him. But that No Move is the real pain in the ass. Its more the fit, I think he would work on this team.


        Habs want a top prospect and good pick to start with, this ain't it.

        It's not what i want or dream of, it's reports from credible sources
        8 mars 2022 à 14 h 45
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        Quoting: NoDeke
        I also hear Vegas is super high on Patrick but man I looked at it like this; Can you steal Patrick, a Winnipeg Native, for Copp. I think if there is another place i want Patrick to succeed, its in WPG. I would hope that trade would bring me all the good juju. Cuz ya like you said with the injury concern, I dont know bad how his future health is looking but i assume he should be able to get back going and its also taking advantage of the fact that Vegas will do anything to win this year seemingly. Man making that trade would be the scariest thing of life. Like ya said Take the picks cuz life is boring.


        I couldn't care less that Patrick is from Winnipeg, he's not very good and constantly injured and the Jets definitely aren't stealing him giving up Copp for him, they're overpaying. Copp should get a better return than that.
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        Quoting: SMH
        Habs want a top prospect and good pick to start with, this ain't it.

        It's not what i want or dream of, it's reports from credible sources


        Who is paying that though? that's what im gettin at, I understand what they want. It's a big cap hit, just not sure what other teams will actually pay for $6.25M Petry. Not many teams can fit him in, unless re-building teams like Ottawa or those types of teams really want him. I would think someone would want Petry for a couple cup runs and deal with moving him the last year if you have to. Petrys seems like an offseason move. Like lets use our imagination here, could trade schimdt to someone else and give MTL a deal that's more up their alley.
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        I think that we'll do better than Winnipeg's 2022 first and Brenden Dillon for Hampus Lindholm and Derek Grant.


        Well your quite a few months late to help the old Isles. What prospect are you willing to give up? Assuming your thinking a 2022 1st and ???
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        Who is paying that though? that's what im gettin at, I understand what they want. It's a big cap hit, just not sure what other teams will actually pay for $6.25M Petry. Not many teams can fit him in, unless re-building teams like Ottawa or those types of teams really want him. I would think someone would want Petry for a couple cup runs and deal with moving him the last year if you have to. Petrys seems like an offseason move. Like lets use our imagination here, could trade schimdt to someone else and give MTL a deal that's more up their alley.


        But Schmidt isn't up their alley... i don't remember who reported it but even if you just take hughes words he said unless it makes sense for both petry and MTL he's staying put, he said they're in no rush to trade him and i can tell you as a habs fan i don't mind holding on to him for now, his value can only go up in the next few months
         
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