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Équipe: 2021-22 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Date de création initiale: 14 févr. 2022
Publié: 14 févr. 2022
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LTIR are guys I don't see coming back.

I see Ottawa not getting the return they want for Nic Paul at the deadline, ultimately electing to keep him and re-sign him before UFA starts.

This team should look to be in a playoff race next season and push goes wild card spot.
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OTT
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (MIN)
  2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2022 (SJS)
Détails additionnels:
*Deadline day deal*
MIN
  1. Tierney, Chris (1 750 000 $ retained)
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Minnesota was one of the teams listed that were highly interested in Tierney's availability. Acquiring him would fit a need of a depth centre that's versatile. I don't see them likely to move any player off their current roster, and most of their prospects don't match Ottawa's timeline to contend, so ultimately a deal is settled on picks. With the 50% retention by Ottawa, a 2nd round pick is certainly within the value range for a player like Tierney. This deal allows both teams to continue in their current directions without any implications on the cap for next season for either squad.
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  1. Hayton, Barrett
Détails additionnels:
*Deadline day deal*
ARI
  1. Brännström, Erik
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I see this as a perfect deal for both teams and players involved - a change of scenery type deal. Brännström hasn't really fit into DJ Smith's coaching system, although he has been better of late and could use a change of scenery to unlock his offensive potential that once made him such a highly touted prospect. He'd have that opportunity to grow in Arizona and be a more frequent part of their top 4 than he would in Ottawa.

Similarly, Hayton has struggled to find his way in Arizona. A bit of a homecoming for him being from Kitchener, he'd have a shot to play in Ottawa's top 9 more frequently and perhaps find his solid two-way game that he had in junior.
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OTT
  1. Kokkonen, Mikko [Liste de réserve]
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
Détails additionnels:
*Deadline day deal*
TOR
  1. Gaudette, Adam (498 750 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Making a deal within the division seems to be a thing that's frowned upon in today's day and age, but if it makes sense for both teams I can't see why not.

For Ottawa, the move a depth player who's a pending RFA who likely not a major part of their future for an organizational need - left handed defence depth. Mikko Kokkonen is a quiet, smooth skating defensive defenceman that's good in transition and has been compared to TJ Brodie for good reason. He'd compliment and fit in well with Ottawa's young offensive minded defenceman.

In Gaudette, Toronto is acquiring a cheap depth player that fits their system and doesn't cost them a roster player. Gaudette's speed and versatility should fit right in very well in Toronto, and coming at a very small cap hit it still allows them to make further adds at the deadline.
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OTT
  1. Garland, Conor
  2. Juulsen, Noah
Détails additionnels:
*Deadline day deal OR Draft day deal*
VAN
  1. Johansson, Oliver [Liste de réserve]
  2. Thomson, Lassi
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (OTT)
  4. Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (OTT)
Détails additionnels:
At some point it becomes time to start making big splashes and adding quality players - that time is coming for Ottawa. In my honest opinion, Dorion should be calling Vancouver non-stop about Garland and getting a deal done. The Sens are loaded with high end quality prospects and can match the Canucks organizational needs fairly well. In Garland they're adding a tenacious forward who can score and isn't afraid to get in the dirty areas to do it or get in an opponent's face - which fits the attitude of this team led by a Tkachuk.

The cost isn't going to come cheap, and Vancouver is lacking in right handed defenceman in their system so the main piece is Lassi Thomson. Thomson has impressed at the NHL level so far but has been up and down. I think Bernard-Docker is the preferred option to stay in Ottawa and with Zub showing signs of a very solid top 4 defenceman it at least makes Thomson come into conversations more. I've also added Oliver Johansson to the deal as a high offensive upside centre playing over in Sweden. He's not much talked about in Ottawa which is likely due to Ottawa's strong prospect system, but he has 2C upside with some defence to his game. With an abundance of picks in this year's draft, I've also included the 2022 2nd round pick from Ottawa which should be an early pick in the round and still bring a high end prospect to their system.
5.
OTT
  1. Cholowski, Dennis
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (SEA)
  3. Choix de 6e ronde en 2024 (SEA)
Détails additionnels:
*Off-season deal*
SEA
  1. White, Colin
Détails additionnels:
In a move to start clearing future cap space, Ottawa looks to move on from Colin White. White had 1 decent season but hasn't found his game here ever since. A change of scenery could benefit his career, but he'll need to go to a place where he'll have the opportunity to play a regular important role. Seattle has very very NHL forwards under contract next season so they could search the market for something while they're younger guys and prospect develop. White doesn't have too much term left on his desk so it's not a high financial commitment, and it's a relatively low risk to acquire him.

For Ottawa, the main return is the long term cap space that will be needed eventually. They also acquire a couple picks and depth defenceman in case of injuries. It's underselling on White a little bit, but with all of the Sens young players developing quickly they're going to need to move him before it comes too much of an issue so he's moved out before his play significantly drops off.
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14 févr. 2022 à 13 h 0
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Chris Tierney isn't getting a 2nd round pick. Like at best 5th round pick
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Chris Tierney isn't getting a 2nd round pick. Like at best 5th round pick


Tierney is still a very useful NHL centre - which have value especially at the deadline. His primary stats aren't great, but his underlying numbers as still pointing to a useful player.

A 5th round pick is a laughable offer - at worst he's a 3rd round pick, and with 50% retention it would increase it enough to be a 2nd.
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14 févr. 2022 à 13 h 20
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Personally I would rather trade JBD even though I love both. Thomson looked more ready to me . And if Im gonna trade one of them, I’d rather go for Boeser
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14 févr. 2022 à 13 h 21
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Tierney is still a very useful NHL centre - which have value especially at the deadline. His primary stats aren't great, but his underlying numbers as still pointing to a useful player.

A 5th round pick is a laughable offer - at worst he's a 3rd round pick, and with 50% retention it would increase it enough to be a 2nd.


Minnesota doesn't need retention this year. He isn't any better than nico sturm. So Minnesota won't pay a 2nd round pick for him. You haven't seen the fact of what ottowa fans have been offering him to Minnesota for
14 févr. 2022 à 13 h 34
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Personally I would rather trade JBD even though I love both. Thomson looked more ready to me . And if Im gonna trade one of them, I’d rather go for Boeser


I think because Thomson is more NHL ready would be why Vancouver would ask for him instead. They're not looking to rebuild, they're more looking for a quicker retool.

& I don't think Boeser is the guy for Ottawa. He's a pure shooter and a streaky player. They have guys like that in Norris, Batherson, Stützle, etc. and they need more in your face type guys like Tkachuk. So I think Garland fits the bill better
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14 févr. 2022 à 13 h 40
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I think because Thomson is more NHL ready would be why Vancouver would ask for him instead. They're not looking to rebuild, they're more looking for a quicker retool.

& I don't think Boeser is the guy for Ottawa. He's a pure shooter and a streaky player. They have guys like that in Norris, Batherson, Stützle, etc. and they need more in your face type guys like Tkachuk. So I think Garland fits the bill better


I don’t think they need that.
They have Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson as an amazing 1st line. What they need is an elite winger for Stutzle , someone who gets a lot of points and can help him carry the 2nd line but be a 60+ pt player preferably a sniper since Stutzle isn’t a a massive threat to snipe it
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14 févr. 2022 à 13 h 45
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That’s one of the more realistic trades for Garland value wise on this site. Good fit for both IMO.
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Thoughts on just holding brannstrom till the draft and maybe packaging him with the 1st outside of top5 for an established NHL top4 Dman?
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That’s one of the more realistic trades for Garland value wise on this site. Good fit for both IMO.


Idk if Garland is the right fit to push this offence to elite territory . The 1st line is great but Stutzle needs a 2nd hand man who’s a 30G 30A guy
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Thoughts on just holding brannstrom till the draft and maybe packaging him with the 1st outside of top5 for an established NHL top4 Dman?


I think Ottawa's top 4 for the future is set and I think that's overvaluing Brännström. He just hasn't hit his peak and doesn't seem to fit in in Ottawa.

As for the defence, they've already got guys like Chabot, Bernard-Docker, Sanderson, Zub, and Thomson (if he's not moved) under team control for quite some time. I think the price of someone who fits Ottawa's core age would be way too pricey.
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14 févr. 2022 à 14 h 31
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Idk if Garland is the right fit to push this offence to elite territory . The 1st line is great but Stutzle needs a 2nd hand man who’s a 30G 30A guy

I doubt Ottawa is signing a UFA of that stature and trading for that will cost them significantly more. Garland is a touch below that at a very playable cost. Maybe some like Boeser better, but he would also cost more to Acquire IMO.
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If retention costs that much, we don't need it. My counter offer is Tierney for a conditional 5th that can turn into a 4th if he plays enough games. Tierney would be a injury insurance for us, nothing more.
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If retention costs that much, we don't need it. My counter offer is Tierney for a conditional 5th that can turn into a 4th if he plays enough games. Tierney would be a injury insurance for us, nothing more.


minimum is a 3rd. Primary stats aren't great, but he has decent underlying numbers. Centre's are always valuable at the deadline so I don't see any problem in getting what they're asking. Honestly Ottawa can get a much better return than what you're suggesting.
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I think Ottawa's top 4 for the future is set and I think that's overvaluing Brännström. He just hasn't hit his peak and doesn't seem to fit in in Ottawa.

As for the defence, they've already got guys like Chabot, Bernard-Docker, Sanderson, Zub, and Thomson (if he's not moved) under team control for quite some time. I think the price of someone who fits Ottawa's core age would be way too pricey.


I would make a trade for Fiala and sign him longterm. I’d include the 2022 1st if it ends up in the 8-12 range
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I'll go one by one with some thoughts on each:

Even with retention there's no way Ottawa comes close to a 2nd + 5th for Tierney. Probably get like a 4th tbh. He's not the player he was a couple of years ago, he doesn't really bring anything to the table anymore.

Brannstrom for Hayton is terrible for Ottawa. Erik Brännström has consistently been good for Ottawa, I don't know why they'd trade him now that he's finally getting that trust with the coach. Betting on Hayton being better in the long run seems like a hugely losing bet. I don't really see him doing much of anything, and from a positional perspective, Ottawa is way deeper down the middle than on D and Brannstrom is a valuable part of their Blueline right now.

Gaudette has been good, and won't cost nearly anything to acquire. The biggest issue plaguing the Sens this season has been the lack of scoring depth. They lacked talent down in the lineup, so when they lost guys at the top to injury the offense really grinded to a halt. Gaudette has been one of the only guys this season able to produce and create chances on his own in the bottom half of the lineup. Seems a no brainer to bring back next year.

I've suggested something similar in the past for Garland, but I think they'd ask for a more highly touted prospect than Johansson, as well as potentially another pick. A guy who probably makes more sense would be Jarventie. Bit more draft pedigree, more upside imo and would be closer to the NHL as well. Something like Thomson, Jarventie and a 2nd probably closer for Garland.

I won't be surprised if a Colin White trade is in the plans this summer. I hope he's able to show where he fits once he returns from injury because I still really like him, but this is roughly what I would be looking for some will suggest him as a cap dump, but from an Ottawa perspective even if his value is so tanked league wide that they would have to give up assets to move him, the Sens can buy him out at the reduced rate because of his age.
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minimum is a 3rd. Primary stats aren't great, but he has decent underlying numbers. Centre's are always valuable at the deadline so I don't see any problem in getting what they're asking. Honestly Ottawa can get a much better return than what you're suggesting.


Well, then they should seek that better return from somewhere else. A 3rd is too much for injury insurance. Tierney would be the perfect for for that role with us, but we will find cheaper options, as well.
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I think because Thomson is more NHL ready would be why Vancouver would ask for him instead. They're not looking to rebuild, they're more looking for a quicker retool.

& I don't think Boeser is the guy for Ottawa. He's a pure shooter and a streaky player. They have guys like that in Norris, Batherson, Stützle, etc. and they need more in your face type guys like Tkachuk. So I think Garland fits the bill better


Boeser is so underrated by the rest of the league, he's anything but a one dimensional player. He's got great hockey IQ, and is a decent playmaker in addition to having a deadly shot
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Quoting: TrueCanuck
I don't think Boeser is the guy for Ottawa. He's a pure shooter and a streaky player. They have guys like that in Norris, Batherson, Stützle, etc. and they need more in your face type guys like Tkachuk. So I think Garland fits the bill better


Batherson and Stützle are not "pure shooter and a streaky players". They are more playmakers who are also ultra skilled so they can score goals themselves too.

Quoting: TrueCanuck
Tierney is still a very useful NHL centre - which have value especially at the deadline. His primary stats aren't great, but his underlying numbers as still pointing to a useful player.

A 5th round pick is a laughable offer - at worst he's a 3rd round pick, and with 50% retention it would increase it enough to be a 2nd.


Can't see Tierney returning a 2nd anymore, even with retention (that Min doesn't even need)

He has been playing better as of late so he has been restoring a bit of value but he has been pretty meh for 2 seasons in a row, doesn't nearly have the same value as before
 
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