Detroit accepts
Ottawa accepts
Seattle accepts

Ottawa says "Thank you, Come again".

Haha thanks for the input! Do you think it could be done with less?

Thanks for the input! Do you think I'm much too high from EDM's end or is it close enough to be reasonable?

1. Value is about right IMO.



2. Although Edmonton could benefit from some lottery protection.

The Oilers have lost 4 straight games and are now teetering on the brink of missing the playoffs, per moneypuck and tankathon.

https://moneypuck.com/predictions.htm

https://www.tankathon.com/nhl

https://www.nhl.com/standings/2021/wildcard



3. Also, we would offer to retain half of Connor Brown's salary if we weren't forced to take Kyle Turris.

But because we are forced to take Turris, we would not offer any salary retention whatsoever.

I’d do the Ottawa trade.

Detroit might be interested as well.

Would be interesting to see what Seattle fans think of the Soucy trade. Feel like you might get outbid on that offer but the value doesn’t seem terrible.

Good agm all around.

Wings trade has no merit, as Wings like Griess and eat the cap difference for a 5th to help Oilers. Why?

To get a 5th on an expiring asset that isn't bringing value to their team right now anyway? Seems pretty clear to me.

I don't mind this whatsoever, the only thing I don't see happening, giving all the picks up for this year, Holland although generally good in the later rounds, I don't see him waiting for 5 rounds to make his first pick, plus the 2nd this year could be going to Chicago as part of the Keith deal(yes, the no retention, no leverage deal that just keeps giving) has a condition based on the Oilers playoff run and Keith's minutes.. Also think the 2nd for Soucy is a bit much when you're acquiring an almost ready NHL prospect and a decent/cheap 6/7 d man, maybe it's a conditional 3rd similar to the Keith conditions.. All in all, I don't hate these deals and I do see them helping out at least slightly..

There’s no point because it’s just a 5th. If Greiss wanted out then sure, otherwise, there’s no use. For reference, Detroit ate the equivalent of around 100k cash in the Savard deal for a 4th.

I think Detroit wants Greiß more than ANYONE wants Koskinen.

I don't think the salary had anything to do with getting the 4th. They at 1mil of Savard's cap hit and got a 4th for it. I presume that would be what you'd expect in this case?

At the TDL so it was prorated. We’re not even at the half way mark of the season so the accrual on cap isn’t close to the Savard deal.

I guess I neglected to mention that these are assumed to be done around the deadline anyway so I think that's your point mostly addressed. That being said, I don't believe the trades Tampa makes where they're REALLY fudging around with the cap are the standard for how we should exclusively assess value. TOR, for example, asked for a 5th to take on 1.1mil in cap hit when Lehner was traded to VGK.

I'm sure we could each find plenty of examples that support our respective positions, though, so I think it's fair to say it's at least close.

Detroit are slightly further ahead and not in a sell everything that isnt nailed down mentality.
Breaking apart a reasonable group isn't worth it for a 5th. Greiss doesnt likely get enough of value to get moved, and as a Detroit fan im fine with that, a 4th is likely not making a huge difference to the rebuild.
We're looking probably just Leddy and Namestnikov at this deadline unless Yzerman makes a left field move with a guy like Bertuzzi.

I just feel the Detroit trade isn't worth it for Detroit, maybe send a third or something to make it worth while. The trade just seems pointless on Detroit's side and helps Edmonton a bunch.

I guess my presumption was that DET was effectively still building for the future and wouldn't mind losing a goalie that, frankly, is playing pretty poorly. They certainly don't seem to be pushing for a playoff spot. As such, I figured a free asset (regardless of size) to take on effectively 200-500k in prorated cap would be a pretty no-brainer. I didn't expect this to be the case; figured it would be the least controversial of the deals



Zero chance that deal is worth a 3rd. The cap difference when prorated is pretty minimal and Greiss is a statistical downgrade on Koskinen and both teams are bad defensively, so I don't think that's an excuse, either. My aim in making the trade is to simply hope a change of pace in net helps the Oilers refocus. As such, I fail to see how this "help EDM a bunch". Appreciate the input, though!

No, Detroit doesn't. Koskinen is really, really bad and a 5th round pick is not enough incentive to take that dumpster fire off of Edmonton's hands.

What does that have to do with Ottawa?

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I replied to the wrong post, that's how! Haha

Meant to reply to this one:

You say that as if Greiss is a steal or less of a statistical dumpster fire You're free to reject it as you Wings fans seem to really like Greiss for his locker room work, but your stated reasoning doesn't fly.

Because the trade adds zero value for Detroit. I'm not sure how that reasoning doesn't make sense? We take on more money and get a garbage pick. What is Detroit's incentive?

I explained my reasoning earlier:

"My presumption was that DET was effectively still building for the future and wouldn't mind losing a goalie that, frankly, is playing pretty poorly. They certainly don't seem to be pushing for a playoff spot. As such, I figured a free asset (regardless of size) to take on effectively 200-500k in prorated cap would be a pretty no-brainer."

Of course, you're free to disagree with this. However, it isn't farfetched to suggest trading a struggling, pending-UFA backup for struggling, pending-UFA backup to get a pick at the cost of less than 1/20th of your remaining cap space for the rest of the season is unreasonable or unrealistic when your team isn't destined for the playoffs.

Do you think you'd get more for either that amount of cap space or in return for Greiss? Or do you, like the others, like what Greiss brings to the locker room?

I just don't see the purpose in making a move for the sake of making a move. The value is fine, I just don't see the point. These are still human beings and sending Greiss half way across the continent, for no more of a role than he has here, when he's a good guy and a good teammate, for almost no added value to the Wings, just doesn't make sense, is all.