if you're not going to get anything worthwhile for him, just keep dermott.

think you might need to include someone a bit better than ritchie.. kinda a low dollar cap dump that has no real purpose on the canucks. esp if theres retention

Niemela is one of the few prospects in the Leafs system that should be considered untouchable. Also, Dermott is better than Greene

Miller is top 10 in scoring and Schenn is playing with Hughes on the top pairing. Both are on excellent contracts. You need to add a lot more

Yeah I’m really hoping these Miller proposals stop. I’m not opposed to trading him based on the contract situation, but based on his numbers, contract and the fact that he plays in all situations and has great face off numbers, he’s a 1c. Maybe not on your team, but he’s still a 1c. If Canucks eat half of that salary, he will command an absolute haul if he’s dealt this year. To put it mildly, he’s being disrespected with the offers

A couple of things with the Leafs/JT Miller trades.

If we are looking for 50% retention next year then I thought that this would be too much dead cap space for Vancouver to carry. Maybe a Vancouver fan can give me better perspective on that.

Next, I would say JT Miller's value on his own (without retention) would be top 6 forward, top prospect, 1st pick and maybe a decent depth defenceman (no offence to the majority of Vancouver's current defence). Miller has been basically lights out for Vancouver but his time in NY (maxing out at 22 goals) as well as his full season in TBay (13 goals in 75 games) he wasn't that great . I would hate to give up too much to only see him return to that level.

I would have proposed Kerfoot who is also playing great now that he is finally healthy for the Leafs after multiple serious injuries. Ambramov who has a high cielling, 2023 1st Pick and Holl who has struggled a bit this year but has shown for 2 years that he can play the RHD shut down role. Holl is now just starting to play like his old self. I think that would be fair for Miller and Schenn. Schenn is playing with Hughes but lacks the foot speed and hockey IQ to really let Hughes play to Hughes potential. Schenn would be the Leafs 8th dman on the depth chart in case of injuries in the playoffs.

The retention of 50% for 1 1/2 seasons would be around $4 MIL in total and I would guess would be worth a 3rd pick to a 3rd team if Vancouver can't carry the dead cap space next season.

So...Kerfoot, Ambramov, 1st Pick, Holl, 3rd Pick for JT Miller (1/2 retained), Schenn

Very easy no from VAN.

This is well thought out and relatively close in value in my opinion, but it doesn’t quite address the Canucks need if you ask me. I would rather see him(if he is moved) garner a pick + a blue chip RD (Schneider, Barron) + roster player. Canucks should not be looking at a return for Miller come in the form of an elite forward prospect but that’s just my opinion

Vancouver has proved they aren't in a position to be retaining salary on any non-rental players the trade out