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What is the price for Lehkonen half retention

Créé par: STLBlues17
Équipe: 2021-22 Blues de St-Louis
Date de création initiale: 27 déc. 2021
Publié: 27 déc. 2021
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  1. Lehkonen, Artturi (1 150 000 $ retained)
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Blues could really use a defensive specialist forward to fill the Schwartz void. Apparently the Blues almost traded Blais for lehkonen last year so I wonder if they circle back. I like Kostin, but I don’t see him becoming a big time impact player in this league and I much prefer what I’ve see from Brown and Joshua over him for this season. Would suck to give him up considering how patient they’ve been, but lehkonen would really fill a hole.
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27 déc. 2021 à 23 h 29
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If he goes to market he will be a lot more expensive than most people realize.

He is analytically as close to perfect defensively as there is despite being used as a matchup option most of the time.

People rag on his production but he has no problems relative to his usage. He is in the top 200 in ES points since the start of 19-20. Thats top 6 production.

He isnt a rental he is a RFA and at 26 is at the perfect age to sign to a 3-4 year deal.

He will be popular if he is available and the price will rise accordingly. I dont find it that hard to see a goodrow type trade where the habs get a 1st but give back a 3rd.
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27 déc. 2021 à 23 h 34
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If he goes to market he will be a lot more expensive than most people realize.

He is analytically as close to perfect defensively as there is despite being used as a matchup option most of the time.

People rag on his production but he has no problems relative to his usage. He is in the top 200 in ES points since the start of 19-20. Thats top 6 production.

He isnt a rental he is a RFA and at 26 is at the perfect age to sign to a 3-4 year deal.

He will be popular if he is available and the price will rise accordingly. I dont find it that hard to see a goodrow type trade where the habs get a 1st but give back a 3rd.


Yeah but he’s European and doesn’t hit so GMS will GM
27 déc. 2021 à 23 h 39
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Our PK is good, but please tell me you didn’t just say Barbashev, Schenn and Saad are good defensively. Barbashev especially is brutal. But yes, recent team defensive play has been very encouraging, I’d attribute a decent amount to strength of schedule, but still.


Yes, they are good defensively, but were inconsistent earlier in the season. All three of those guys are on the PK. And Barby leads the team in hits and is 4th in takeaways. Not at all sure how you think he's brutal.
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27 déc. 2021 à 23 h 41
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People rag on his production but he has no problems relative to his usage. He is in the top 200 in ES points since the start of 19-20. Thats top 6 production.



Uhh no it is not. You need to recheck your math. In no way, shape or form does he have top 6 production.
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27 déc. 2021 à 23 h 43
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Yeah but he’s European and doesn’t hit so GMS will GM


He has hit triple digits in hits in multiple seasons he plays a very gritty game.
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27 déc. 2021 à 23 h 46
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Uhh no it is not. You need to recheck your math. In no way, shape or form does he have top 6 production.


No i dont he is 186th in es points. That dividedby 32 is 5.8125 which makes him on average the 6th forward which is still in the top 6.
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Yes, they are good defensively, but were inconsistent earlier in the season. All three of those guys are on the PK. And Barby leads the team in hits and is 4th in takeaways. Not at all sure how you think he's brutal.


Leaks chances when he’s out there, simple as that. I do love our PK though and think it could be even better. The numbers without Scandella are sublime
28 déc. 2021 à 0 h 41
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What??? O'Reilly, Sundqvist, Bozak, Buch, Barby, etc etc. Our PK has killed off like 20 straight and has been in the top 7-8 all season long.

And umm, the Habs' PK is like 29th in the league, dude.




First of all, Sunny has been excellent defensively AND he's just back from a long layoff anyway. Then there's Saad, Schenn, Bozak, and yes Barby, too. Even Tarasenko has been making a lot of great D plays, the guy is actually first among our forwards in blocked shots by a mile. Our forwards can play excellent defense, it's just a matter of being consistent with it, which they have done lately.

Frankly, at least half our "defensive" problems aren't even related to defense at all. It's turning the puck over in the wrong places.


yeah but byron is out since the first game, gave lehky a byron lije player and your pk unit is first. He is a killing pker even a 5vs5
28 déc. 2021 à 0 h 42
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If he goes to market he will be a lot more expensive than most people realize.

He is analytically as close to perfect defensively as there is despite being used as a matchup option most of the time.

People rag on his production but he has no problems relative to his usage. He is in the top 200 in ES points since the start of 19-20. Thats top 6 production.

He isnt a rental he is a RFA and at 26 is at the perfect age to sign to a 3-4 year deal.

He will be popular if he is available and the price will rise accordingly. I dont find it that hard to see a goodrow type trade where the habs get a 1st but give back a 3rd.


he is the next to nothing in this department, like a one in a generation talent defensivly and no one seem to take that in account.
28 déc. 2021 à 8 h 0
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No i dont he is 186th in es points. That dividedby 32 is 5.8125 which makes him on average the 6th forward which is still in the top 6.

Guys on CF really hate it when you can back your opinion by factual stats, well done. By no mean I think we'll fetch a 1st+ for him but he is indeed very enticing considering his complete game, RFA status and pay grade.
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If traded, it’ll be a 2nd plus a little sweetener. GMs throw around 2nd round picks like candy at the deadline. It’s pretty much the going rate for any competent 3rd liner, PK, good salary, RFA. It might be too much but 2nd round picks get tossed around at the deadline and it just is what it is.

More than one team would likely be willing to offer a 2nd, so Gorton would just need to ask for an extra late round pick.

Marco scandella went for a 2nd round pick last year.
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Leaks chances when he’s out there, simple as that.

I do love our PK though and think it could be even better. The numbers without Scandella are sublime


1- Is that all on him or something? There's five guys on the ice.

2- Just FYI: Scandella has the best PK GA/60 on the team. The numbers with him are even better than whatever you're looking at.
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1- Is that all on him or something? There's five guys on the ice.

2- Just FYI: Scandella has the best PK GA/60 on the team. The numbers with him are even better than whatever you're looking at.


That’s entirely goaltending, his expected pk GA/60 is over 9, ahead of only Sunny
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That’s entirely goaltending, his expected pk GA/60 is over 9, ahead of only Sunny


So basically any good stuff on his on-ice ledger is all goaltending, but any bad stuff on his on-ice ledger is solely Scandella's doing?
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So basically any good stuff on his on-ice ledger is all goaltending, but any bad stuff on his on-ice ledger is solely Scandella's doing?


No, but relative to teammates, he’s worse than everyone but sundqvist. They give up significantly less chances with him off the ice. I do like what he’s done in 3rd pair minutes though, very effective.
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No, but relative to teammates, he’s worse than everyone but sundqvist. They give up significantly less chances with him off the ice. I do like what he’s done in 3rd pair minutes though, very effective.


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That's just not how that stat works. It's a complimentary guide, not a bible. It requires context, and not just because there's other players on the ice. For example, when Binny makes a PK save and then Scandella clears the slot or whacks the rebound away, he's making a play. None of these analytics stats take into account how many plays a guy makes. The guy makes plays even when he has games with mistakes. And when others make a mistake with him on the ice, he gets dinged for it like everybody else (people love to hate on +/- as a stat, but somehow a stat that is essentially expected +/- is gospel). These analytics also don't factor in competition, and Scandella has usually been out there against the PP1s. But, yeah, of course, Blues fans always have to have one designated whipping boy to over-criticize every season... the guy has played more PK minutes than anyone on the team, and only Parayko has played tougher PK minutes (barely), and teams have still only scored three PP goals with him on the ice this season.
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That's just not how that stat works. It's a complimentary guide, not a bible. It requires context, and not just because there's other players on the ice. For example, when Binny makes a PK save and then Scandella clears the slot or whacks the rebound away, he's making a play. None of these analytics stats take into account how many plays a guy makes. The guy makes plays even when he has games with mistakes. And when others make a mistake with him on the ice, he gets dinged for it like everybody else (people love to hate on +/- as a stat, but somehow a stat that is essentially expected +/- is gospel). These analytics also don't factor in competition, and Scandella has usually been out there against the PP1s. But, yeah, of course, Blues fans always have to have one designated whipping boy to over-criticize every season... the guy has played more PK minutes than anyone on the team, and only Parayko has played tougher PK minutes (barely), and teams have still only scored three PP goals with him on the ice this season.


I should’ve specified that it’s RAPM xga which DOES adjust for competition. It’s basically +/- but contextualizing everything that the stat ignores such as goaltending, teammates, opponents, score… Sample size also considering he’s under 75 minutes. It’s perfectly reasonable to see disparity in GA vs XGA in that little of time, but regression is a biotch. Expand it to the 176 minutes he’s played last two seasons and he’s still over 8 Xga/hour. I just wouldn’t look at raw GA numbers for defenseman or especially forwards solely because they have extremely little power in controlling what shots the goalie stops or doesn’t, only where those shots come from and what happens before them. There are people who track “plays” but generally the macro output is significantly more important and meaningful than the micro tracked data. It’s the reason why nobody thinks Andreas Athanasiou is a top player despite the fact that he makes (or made, idk I don’t watch him anymore) a bajillion puck plays a game.
 
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