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What is the difference in value between 31st overall and 85th overall

Créé par: sensonfire
Équipe: 2021-22 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Date de création initiale: 5 oct. 2021
Publié: 5 oct. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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OTT
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (TBL)
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The difference in value between the 31st overall pick and the 85th overall pick for the same draft.
TBL
  1. Paul, Nicholas (675 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (BOS)
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That is what I think Nick Paul is worth when you retain half his salary.


That's different than saying Nick Paul is worth a 1st round pick.


which many of you have implied in the past :(
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NYR
    Much like the trade last year for you know who :)


    Fun fact about Nick Paul and Barclay Goodrow?


    Nick Paul received a vote for the Selke Trophy while Barclay Goodrow did not :D


    https://www.hockey-reference.com/awards/voting-2021.html
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    OTT
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      So what is the difference in value between 31st overall and 85th overall for the same draft?
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      1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (DAL)
      DAL
        Is it a second?
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        2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
        TOR
          Is it two seconds?
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          1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (MTL)
          2. Choix de 6e ronde en 2022 (MTL)
          MTL
            A second and a sixth?
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            1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (SJS)
            2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (SJS)
            SJS
              A second and a fourth?
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              OTT
                ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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                  Or something else?
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                  OTT
                    Let me know what you think is the difference between 31st overall and 85th overall ...
                    NYR
                    1. Goodrow, Barclay
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                    And I'll see you in the comments :D
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                    5 oct. 2021 à 14 h 22
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                    wpg
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                    It depends on how high a team values the pick

                    If a team views a player available at that spot as a potential steal they value it higher then if they rnt looking at anyone in particular and just select BPA on their list
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                    5 oct. 2021 à 14 h 31
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                    Honestly, I think this trade is fair, and I think Tampa may do it if they are in contention at the deadline. Again, Paul is probably as good as Goodrow was when he got traded, but with Paul only having one year on his deal, I think that’s why you need to add that third round pick.


                    Barclay Goodrow: 62GP, 8G, 16A, 24P, -8+/-

                    Nick Paul: 56GP, 5G, 15A, 20P, +5+/-

                    As you can see, their stats are VERY similar at the time they would be traded. The only difference is that this past season was shortened, and 2019-2020 was not. With Barclay only playing 6 or so more games in San Jose, he only got 4 more points, and he got a minus. With Tampa throwing around first round picks, I could see it.
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                    5 oct. 2021 à 14 h 39
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                    It depends on how high a team values the pick

                    If a team views a player available at that spot as a potential steal they value it higher then if they rnt looking at anyone in particular and just select BPA on their list


                    Agreed. Also depends on the perceived quality of the draft.

                    There's a number of examples of trades in the late 20's though. For instance:
                    -In 2011, the Leafs traded #22 OA for #30 OA and #39 OA in 2011 (That didn't turn out so well for Toronto).
                    -In 2014, the Tampa traded #28 OA for #35 and #57 (Didn't work out well for either team).
                    -In 2015, Philly acquired #24 OA for #29 and #61 from the Leafs (Long live Thomas Konecny, but Bracco was the GOAT!)
                    -In 2016, Washington acquired #26 OA for #28 and #87 (This is probably the closest example...dropping 2 spots at the bottom of the first netted the Caps a late 3rd)
                    -In 2017, Anaheim dropped 3 spots from #26, and acquired #29 and #70.
                    -In 2019, #34 OA went for #45 and #65 OA.
                    5 oct. 2021 à 15 h 4
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                    The difference between the last pick in the first round and a mid 3rd rounder would be a early to mid 2nd round pick
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                    5 oct. 2021 à 15 h 19
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                    According to the Athletic's draft pick value chart,

                    #31 = 2.8
                    #85 = 0.6

                    [2.8 - 0.6] = 2.2

                    Picks 38, 39 = 2.2

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                    5 oct. 2021 à 15 h 32
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                    My feeling would be something around #34 to #36.
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