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Ranking teams overall offense

Créé par: Taz
Équipe: 2021-22 Équipe personnalisée
Date de création initiale: 28 sept. 2021
Publié: 28 sept. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Ranking takes into consideration the ability of the whole team to generate offense, not just the forward group. Offensive dmen and powerplay are factors.

AlsoI tend to rank higher well balance offense than only one good line.
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
3581 500 000 $206 618 714 $0 $2 237 500 $-125 118 714 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
1 to, 11
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
12 to, 22
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
23 to, 32
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
Logo de Golden Knights de Vegas
9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance537 500 $$538K)
C
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
11 640 250 $11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 3
Logo de Stars de Dallas
3 150 000 $3 150 000 $
C
UFA - 2
Logo de Predators de Nashville
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
6 300 000 $6 300 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Hurricanes de la Caroline
8 460 250 $8 460 250 $
C
UFA - 3
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
9 000 000 $9 000 000 $
AG
UFA - 5
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
6 750 000 $6 750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
5 875 000 $5 875 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Kings de Los Angeles
10 000 000 $10 000 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Capitals de Washington
9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Blue Jackets de Columbus
5 400 000 $5 400 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 5
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
7 142 857 $7 142 857 $
AG
UFA - 5
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
4 333 333 $4 333 333 $
C
UFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
6 100 000 $6 100 000 $
C
UFA - 2
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
1 875 000 $1 875 000 $
C
UFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Kraken de Seattle
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
12 500 000 $12 500 000 $
C
UFA - 5
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
2 625 000 $2 625 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 6
Logo de Panthers de la Floride
5 900 000 $5 900 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
8 700 000 $8 700 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Ducks d'Anaheim
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
C, AG
RFA - 2
Logo de Rangers de New York
11 642 857 $11 642 857 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Sénateurs d'Ottawa
4 975 000 $4 975 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 6
Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona
7 150 000 $7 150 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 7
Logo de Bruins de Boston
6 666 667 $6 666 667 $
AD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Islanders de New York
7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
C, AG
UFA - 2
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28 sept. 2021 à 14 h 27
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Too high for the Leafs offense. In a division that lacked any sort of defense outside of the Leafs, they still only managed 6th in goals for last season.
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28 sept. 2021 à 14 h 28
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Capitals should be higher
28 sept. 2021 à 14 h 31
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Oilers have to be number one. Most productive forward group lead by mcdavid and Leon. Barrie lead all d in points in his first season with the team expect to build off that along with Bouchard coming in. Could even point out who else has a goalie who will make 50 foot passes 4-5 times a game.
28 sept. 2021 à 14 h 33
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Quoting: Timmah007
Oilers have to be number one. Most productive forward group lead by mcdavid and Leon. Barrie lead all d in points in his first season with the team expect to build off that along with Bouchard coming in. Could even point out who else has a goalie who will make 50 foot passes 4-5 times a game.


Oilers just can't score when McDavid or Leon aren't on the ice...
28 sept. 2021 à 14 h 43
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Quoting: Timmah007
Oilers have to be number one. Most productive forward group lead by mcdavid and Leon. Barrie lead all d in points in his first season with the team expect to build off that along with Bouchard coming in. Could even point out who else has a goalie who will make 50 foot passes 4-5 times a game.


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Oilers just can't score when McDavid or Leon aren't on the ice...


They were 7th in GF last year and 8th on this list. I'd say they're improved adding Hyman and Foegele, I don't think I'd call them #1 but would probably put them around 4-5.
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28 sept. 2021 à 14 h 52
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Quoting: Timmah007
Oilers have to be number one. Most productive forward group lead by mcdavid and Leon. Barrie lead all d in points in his first season with the team expect to build off that along with Bouchard coming in. Could even point out who else has a goalie who will make 50 foot passes 4-5 times a game.


Oilers have no depth outside of McDavid, Draisaitl, and Nuge. If one of the three gets injured, Oilers are in trouble
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28 sept. 2021 à 14 h 53
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They were 7th in GF last year and 8th on this list. I'd say they're improved adding Hyman and Foegele, I don't think I'd call them #1 but would probably put them around 4-5.


''AlsoI tend to rank higher well balance offense than only one good line.''

Sure they were 7th overall last year, but they did score like 75% of their goals with either Connor or Leon on the ice.
28 sept. 2021 à 15 h 1
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I really don't understand some of these rankings. Like, the Penguins scored the 2nd most goals in the NHL last season and are 20th, meanwhile the Devils don't have a single player who has ever scored 65+ points in a season and they're in the top half of the leauge??
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28 sept. 2021 à 15 h 12
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Quoting: Byrr
Too high for the Leafs offense. In a division that lacked any sort of defense outside of the Leafs, they still only managed 6th in goals for last season.


They had the highest xGF by quite a wide margin
28 sept. 2021 à 15 h 23
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Are you talking about offense, or forwards? Because if it’s offense, it is inconceivable that the Oilers aren’t #1.
28 sept. 2021 à 15 h 31
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Why is Carolina so low?
28 sept. 2021 à 16 h 34
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Quoting: Taz
Oilers just can't score when McDavid or Leon aren't on the ice...


That was last year, and McDavid and Draisaitl are on the ice probably 60% of the game.

In any case, team results last year show that the Oilers were in fact 7th in the league in scoring last year and they've made improvements throughout their lineup. Yet somehow you have last year's 14th and 15th ranked teams ahead of them...
28 sept. 2021 à 16 h 39
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Quoting: UpsideDownQue
They had the highest xGF by quite a wide margin


No they didn't. naturalstattrick.com/
28 sept. 2021 à 16 h 40
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I really don't understand some of these rankings. Like, the Penguins scored the 2nd most goals in the NHL last season and are 20th, meanwhile the Devils don't have a single player who has ever scored 65+ points in a season and they're in the top half of the leauge??


Crosby and Malkin are both injured.
Devils now have Smith and Hamilton to set the offense from their zone, the kids have taken more experience they'll be better.
28 sept. 2021 à 16 h 52
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No they didn't. naturalstattrick.com/


Well not every xG model is the same. moneypuck has them as the best xGF team https://moneypuck.com/teams.htm and naturalstattrick has them 4th. I think its pretty reasonable to have them ranked 2nd
28 sept. 2021 à 17 h 13
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Well not every xG model is the same. moneypuck has them as the best xGF team https://moneypuck.com/teams.htm and naturalstattrick has them 4th. I think its pretty reasonable to have them ranked 2nd


Not when you consider the ixG of the players that they lost over the summer: NST
28 sept. 2021 à 17 h 24
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Not when you consider the ixG of the players that they lost over the summer: NST


I dont think that will have as big of an effect as you think. Hyman was really the only significant loss but they added Kase, Ritchie, and Bunting which makes up for it imo. Plus I think its reasonable for whichever LW gets the spot on a line with Matthews and Marner to have improved production anyway
29 sept. 2021 à 14 h 1
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I dont think that will have as big of an effect as you think. Hyman was really the only significant loss but they added Kase, Ritchie, and Bunting which makes up for it imo. Plus I think its reasonable for whichever LW gets the spot on a line with Matthews and Marner to have improved production anyway

We'll see, there's no point in arguing about it as there's no way of knowing one way or the other. But, I would be remiss if I didn't point out that Hyman had a greater effect than most think - Matthews' scoring drops significantly when away from Hyman. Over the past 2 seasons at 5v5:

Matthews with Hyman: 1.88 G/60 and 3.11 P/60
Matthews w/o Hyman: 1.63 G/60 and 2.38 P/60

Matthews with Hyman: 62.82GF% and 58.94 xGF% with 53.83 O-zone start%
Matthews w/o Hyman: 60.71 GF% and 56.35 xGF% with 63.45 O-zone start%

AM's point production takes a significant hit when he doesn't have Hyman with him. His GF% and xGF% take smaller hits, but when you consider zone starts too it becomes noticeable. The effect is even more pronounced with Mitch Marner:

Marner with Hyman: 1.03 G/60 and 3.18 P/60
Marner w/o Hyman: 0.63 G/60 and 2.15 P/60

Marner with Hyman: 60.23 GF% and 56.85 xGF% with 49.42 O-zone start%
Marner w/o Hyman: 51.19 GF% and 55.97 xGF% with 60.77 O-zone start%

I'm not saying Hyman was driving this line (clearly he wasn't) but his play style really enhances the skill player's ability to do their thing. Perhaps one of these new guys can do just as well, but we don't know just yet. Toronto has lost more than just Hyman's goals from that line.
 
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