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Créé par: jonnymc26
Équipe: 2021-22 Sabres de Buffalo
Date de création initiale: 29 août 2021
Publié: 29 août 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
53 000 000 $
53 000 000 $
78 000 000 $
Transactions
1.
BUF
  1. Brook, Josh
  2. Lehkonen, Artturi
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
rights to Jesperi Kotkaniemi
buffalo matches Carolina's offer
2.
BUF
  1. Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
Détails additionnels:
matched offer
CAR
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2281 500 000 $61 180 882 $113 916 $850 000 $20 319 118 $
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C
UFA - 2
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3 050 000 $3 050 000 $
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UFA - 1
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894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
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UFA - 1
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AG, C
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2 200 000 $2 200 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 2
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1 150 000 $1 150 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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UFA - 1
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1 050 000 $1 050 000 $
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UFA - 1
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UFA - 3
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3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DD
RFA - 3
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750 000 $750 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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2 822 764 $2 822 764 $
DG
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3 875 000 $3 875 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
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725 000 $725 000 $
G
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889 166 $889 166 $
DG/DD
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900 000 $900 000 $
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29 août 2021 à 12 h 9
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Can they do that?
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Can they do that?


No can’t trade him for a year if they match.
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29 août 2021 à 12 h 11
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No can’t trade him for a year if they match.


But can they trade the matching rights which is what is happening here
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29 août 2021 à 12 h 12
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But can they trade the matching rights which is what is happening here


No. They can’t. They have to either match or he’s on Carolina
29 août 2021 à 12 h 13
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This doesn't seem like enough. This KK contract doesn't do Montreal any favors for KK's trade value
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29 août 2021 à 12 h 27
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Quoting: csick
No. They can’t. They have to either match or he’s on Carolina


hey do you have link to where it talks about that.
i have never seen it done or heard of it because offer sheets are so rare so be interesting to see the rules on it.
the only thing i see says no trades after matching
https://www.capfriendly.com/offer-sheet-faq
29 août 2021 à 12 h 40
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Quoting: jonnymc26
hey do you have link to where it talks about that.
i have never seen it done or heard of it because offer sheets are so rare so be interesting to see the rules on it.
the only thing i see says no trades after matching
https://www.capfriendly.com/offer-sheet-faq


cant trade a player until 1 year the OS.
https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-contract-offer-sheet-questions-answers/c-308047180

"If matched, the player remains with his team under the terms of the offer sheet he signed and he would not be eligible to be traded for one year."

so if Montreal matches KK....they will have to QO first to his 6.1m, try to extend him, or he will accept his QO before he is eligible to be traded. He has all the control to how valuable he is as a traded piece 1 year later bc of the timing of the OS. It was smart business by him and his agent
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29 août 2021 à 12 h 46
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Quoting: jonnymc26
hey do you have link to where it talks about that.
i have never seen it done or heard of it because offer sheets are so rare so be interesting to see the rules on it.
the only thing i see says no trades after matching
https://www.capfriendly.com/offer-sheet-faq


I don't have a link, but I can assure you that you cannot trade the player within the 7 day matching window either. He technically doesn't belong to you until you match, and he technically doesn't belong to Carolina until the 7 days are up.
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29 août 2021 à 12 h 48
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Montréal and Carolina are the only 2 teams that Jesperi Kotkaniemi can play for next season.
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29 août 2021 à 12 h 52
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Quoting: Gmonwy
Can they do that?


If not match and trade
29 août 2021 à 13 h 1
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Even if they could do this trade with KK (which it doesn’t seem like they can), why would BUF accept? That’s a very underwhelming return.
29 août 2021 à 13 h 2
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Quoting: ricochetii
I don't have a link, but I can assure you that you cannot trade the player within the 7 day matching window either. He technically doesn't belong to you until you match, and he technically doesn't belong to Carolina until the 7 days are up.


Not exactly true, Montreal and Carolina can still work out a trade and the OS can be rescinded. However they are the only 2 teams that can do this.
29 août 2021 à 13 h 4
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If this is legal, MTL takes this offer and runs.
29 août 2021 à 13 h 9
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Not exactly true, Montreal and Carolina can still work out a trade and the OS can be rescinded. However they are the only 2 teams that can do this.


I'd need a source for that because I don't recall it and it doesn't make sense.
Rescinding an offer sheet can't be right. The player already has that contract. There's just a "blank" where the team name goes.
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29 août 2021 à 13 h 10
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I'd need a source for that because I don't recall it and it doesn't make sense.
Rescinding an offer sheet can't be right. The player already has that contract. There's just a "blank" where the team name goes.


It was discussed by several pundits when we OS Aho, I will look for a source though
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29 août 2021 à 13 h 29
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It was discussed by several pundits when we OS Aho, I will look for a source though


thats false, they cant negotiate a trade now. That contract has been submitted to the NHL registry. the Offersheet just doesnt go away. Kotkaniemi can not be traded in the 7 day window. Its in the CBA
29 août 2021 à 20 h 11
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Quoting: coga16
cant trade a player until 1 year the OS.
https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-contract-offer-sheet-questions-answers/c-308047180

"If matched, the player remains with his team under the terms of the offer sheet he signed and he would not be eligible to be traded for one year."

so if Montreal matches KK....they will have to QO first to his 6.1m, try to extend him, or he will accept his QO before he is eligible to be traded. He has all the control to how valuable he is as a traded piece 1 year later bc of the timing of the OS. It was smart business by him and his agent


so if kk rights are traded to buffalo and buffalo (not mtl) matches then that's not an issue. buffalo would then just not be able to trade him for a year.
29 août 2021 à 20 h 14
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thats false, they cant negotiate a trade now. That contract has been submitted to the NHL registry. the Offersheet just doesnt go away. Kotkaniemi can not be traded in the 7 day window. Its in the CBA


did you have a link for that rule or where it talks about that, it has not been posted on here yet.
this may be the loophole that not in rules if nobody can find specific source for it.
29 août 2021 à 20 h 16
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Quoting: vikhodush
Even if they could do this trade with KK (which it doesn’t seem like they can), why would BUF accept? That’s a very underwhelming return.


i just tossed up a frame work of what mtl could do ideally i want more but wasn't the point of post.
29 août 2021 à 20 h 17
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so if kk rights are traded to buffalo and buffalo (not mtl) matches then that's not an issue. buffalo would then just not be able to trade him for a year.


Technically Carolina owns his rights unless Montreal matches. He signed a contract with them. Montreal can match and take over that contract, but then they can't trade him for a year. So KK, rights or otherwise, can't be traded to Buffalo.
29 août 2021 à 20 h 18
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Quoting: ricochetii
I don't have a link, but I can assure you that you cannot trade the player within the 7 day matching window either. He technically doesn't belong to you until you match, and he technically doesn't belong to Carolina until the 7 days are up.


i technically would need to see the rules to validate that. he is mtl property until the 7th day is up according to what i have seen
29 août 2021 à 20 h 56
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i technically would need to see the rules to validate that. he is mtl property until the 7th day is up according to what i have seen


Exhibit 6, 10.3 (a)
Once an Offer Sheet for a Restricted Free
Agent has been received by the Prior Club, the Prior Club may not Trade or otherwise Assign its
Right of First Refusal for such Restricted Free Agent.
29 août 2021 à 21 h 6
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Quoting: jonnymc26
did you have a link for that rule or where it talks about that, it has not been posted on here yet.
this may be the loophole that not in rules if nobody can find specific source for it.


I don't have a link but I remember the context of the trade proposal talk. It was actually talk of arranging a trade so that the original team does not match and let's the player go. So in this case Carolina would agree to a deal where Montreal gets the comp package + a prospect and Montreal let's KK walk. So technically it's not a trade involving KK but in a sense it is.
 
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