Ledge_And_Dairy from Buffalo POV Plus one to reach the cap floor

Forums/Armchair-GM

Page 1 de 1

Créé par: gretzkyghosts

Équipe: 2021-22 Sabres de Buffalo

Date de création initiale: 14 août 2021

Publié: 14 août 2021

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

The players buy into Granato up-tempo style.
Mittelstadt plays on the top line with Skinner and each score 30 goals with Thompson chipping in 20.
The lines finishes the season with nearly 85 goals.

Cozens breaks out and has a great sophomore season with 25 goals.
Chytil shows everyone why he was a first round pick while surpassing his career highs of 14 goals and 14 assists set in '19-'20 and '20-'21 respectively potting 17 goals and 24 assists.
Hinostroza's performance mirrors his time with the Hawks last year (17 games with 4 goals and 12 pts) and he exceeds his career high he set with Arizona in '17-'18 with 17 goals and 45 pts
The line ends up with just under 60 goals.

Bjork - Engvall - Okposo provide decent third line production with a total of 40 goals.

Girgensons - Asplund - Byron prove to be the checking line Buffalo needs.
They finish among the top 10 PK team while shutting down the opponents top line.

Dahlin and Miller feast off of each other.
Dahlin is able to set up Miller with picture perfect passes and the tandem record 25 goals.

Butcher, Hagg, Jokiharju and Pysyk all thrive under Granato's system.

Pysyk turn out to be a great swing man capable of playing RHD and RW as needed.
Dermott escapes the Toronto microscope and with the reduced ice time in Buffalo fills in admirably.

The team surprises the league with 78 points and finishes 5th from last.
The Hockey gods smile on Buffalo and they win the draft lottery and draft Shane Wright.

Miller, Butcher, Hagg, Hinostroza and Koskinen all prove to be hot commodities at the TDL and each player returns a second round pick giving Buffalo eight and a total of 13 in the first two rounds this year.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Dahlin, Rasmus	2	5 500 000 $
Jokiharju, Henri	1	1 500 000 $
Mittelstadt, Casey	1	1 500 000 $

Transactions

BUF

Chytil, Filip
Georgiev, Alexandar
Lundkvist, Nils
Robertson, Matthew
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (NYR)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (NYR)
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (NYR)

Détails additionnels:

The second is conditional upon Jack playing 55 in the 2021-'22 season

NYR

Eichel, Jack

BUF

Koskinen, Mikko
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (EDM)

EDM

Georgiev, Alexandar

BUF

Abramov, Mikhail
Mikheyev, Ilya
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (TOR)
Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (TOR)

Détails additionnels:

Buffalo gets two picks, a decent center prospect and a PK LW

TOR

Olofsson, Victor

Détails additionnels:

TML get a sniper to replace Hyman

BUF

Brook, Josh
Byron, Paul
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (MTL)
Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (TBL)

Détails additionnels:

Buffalo takes on a cap dump, a decent RHD prospect and 2 picks.

MTL

Miller, Colin

Détails additionnels:

Montreal gets a top 4 RHD

BUF

Johansen, Ryan
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (NSH)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (NSH)
Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (NSH)

Détails additionnels:

Nashville gets cap space

NSH

Buffalo adds to their impressive draft picks and reaches the cap floor.

Rachats de contrats

Cody Hodgson: 791 667 $
Christian Ehrhoff: 0 $

Enfoui

Ryan Johansen: 2 875 000 $ (4 000 000 $)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2022
2023
2024

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	81 500 000 $	56 917 514 $	113 916 $	850 000 $	24 582 486 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Skinner, Jeff 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ AG, AD NMC UFA - 6	Mittelstadt, Casey 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AG, C RFA - 3	Thompson, Tage 1 400 000 $1 400 000 $ C UFA - 2
Chytil, Filip 2 300 000 $2 300 000 $ C, AG UFA - 2	Cozens, Dylan 894 167 $894 167 $ (850 000 $$850K) C, AG UFA - 2	Hinostroza, Vinnie 1 050 000 $1 050 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
Bjork, Anders 1 600 000 $1 600 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Asplund, Rasmus 825 000 $825 000 $ AG, C RFA - 2	Okposo, Kyle 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ AD M-NTC UFA - 2
	Girgensons, Zemgus 2 200 000 $2 200 000 $ AG, C UFA - 2	Byron, Paul 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2
Mikheyev, Ilya 1 645 000 $1 645 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Dahlin, Rasmus 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 3		Koskinen, Mikko 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 1
Butcher, Will 2 822 764 $2 822 764 $ DG UFA - 1	Jokiharju, Henri 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ DD RFA - 3	Anderson, Craig 750 000 $750 000 $ G UFA - 1
Hägg, Robert 1 600 000 $1 600 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Pysyk, Mark 900 000 $900 000 $ DD UFA - 1
	Fitzgerald, Casey 750 000 $750 000 $ DD UFA - 2

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Eakin, Cody 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ C UFA - 1
Caggiula, Drake 750 000 $750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1

14 août 2021 à 12 h 33

gretzkyghosts

Rejoint: avr. 2018

Messages: 5,352

Mentions "j'aime": 4,799

@LEDGE_AND_DAIRY
Adding the Edmonton trade, retaining on Jack, the Sabres make the cap floor.
I really like your trade concept.

Ledge_And_Dairy et GMTD a aimé ceci.

14 août 2021 à 12 h 37

CD282

Rejoint: mars 2017

Messages: 24,036

Mentions "j'aime": 7,746

Edmonton rejects. That's a terrible deal for them. Olofsson has negative value and you're expecting them to downgrade at wing and in net AND give up picks? That's insane

14 août 2021 à 12 h 41

CD282

Rejoint: mars 2017

Messages: 24,036

Mentions "j'aime": 7,746

Quoting: CD282

Edmonton rejects. That's a terrible deal for them. Olofsson has negative value and you're expecting them to downgrade at wing and in net AND give up picks? That's insane

http://naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20202021&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=std&rate=y&p1=8475178&p2=8478109&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single

14 août 2021 à 12 h 48

villenash

Rejoint: mai 2019

Messages: 10,250

Mentions "j'aime": 7,116

Modifié 14 août 2021 à 15 h 1

Quoting: CD282

http://naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20202021&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=std&rate=y&p1=8475178&p2=8478109&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single

I mean, both Kassian and Olofsson benefitted from playing with an elite C in 2019-20, so both of their stats were inflated. This past season, neither really played with an elite C -- so I think this past season is a better showing of who they really are on the ice. Olofsson's stats look better than Kassian's in that scenario, but they're still pretty close.

Edit: wrong year, changed

gretzkyghosts a aimé ceci.

14 août 2021 à 12 h 50

CD282

Rejoint: mars 2017

Messages: 24,036

Mentions "j'aime": 7,746

Quoting: villenash

I mean, both Kassian and Olofsson benefitted from playing with an elite C in 2020-21, so both of their stats were inflated. This past season, neither really played with an elite C -- so I think this past season is a better showing of who they really are on the ice. Olofsson's stats look better than Kassian's in that scenario, but they're still pretty close.

Except Olofsson's stats aren't inflated, they're among the worst in the league at 5v5. He's a PP specialist and Edmonton has no room on their PP, he is a cap dump to them.

14 août 2021 à 12 h 51

SevenLeg

Hop on the Slaftrain

Rejoint: févr. 2019

Messages: 16,172

Mentions "j'aime": 20,495

Quoting: CD282

http://naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20202021&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=std&rate=y&p1=8475178&p2=8478109&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single

Olofsson doesn't have much value, but it's certainly not negative. He can be a really useful player in the right circumstances.
The Kassian comparison doesn't do much -- Kassian's most common linemate in that two-year span was no other than Connor McDavid, while Olofsson's is Sam Reinhart.

Not to mention that Kassian literally drags down McDavid as the latter has significantly better stats without than with him.

villenash, vikhodush et gretzkyghosts a aimé ceci.

14 août 2021 à 12 h 52

villenash

Rejoint: mai 2019

Messages: 10,250

Mentions "j'aime": 7,116

Quoting: CD282

Except Olofsson's stats aren't inflated, they're among the worst in the league at 5v5. He's a PP specialist and Edmonton has no room on their PP, he is a cap dump to them.

I don't disagree that he's not great at 5v5, but is Kassian? Just looking at the numbers that you linked, Olofsson has better stats for the most part than Kassian in 2020-21 at 5v5. And he is good on the PP, as you said -- EDM doesn't need that kind of player, but there is value in that.

gretzkyghosts a aimé ceci.

14 août 2021 à 13 h 4

littlejerryseinfeld

Rejoint: nov. 2017

Messages: 27,759

Mentions "j'aime": 14,510

Quoting: CD282

Edmonton rejects. That's a terrible deal for them. Olofsson has negative value and you're expecting them to downgrade at wing and in net AND give up picks? That's insane

Negative value? In what world?

rollie1967 a aimé ceci.

14 août 2021 à 13 h 9

CJets

Rejoint: août 2020

Messages: 1,819

Mentions "j'aime": 623

Any retainer salary on Eichel is not gonna happen (even though that’s a bargain for Calgary, I don’t see Buffalo doing that at all)

14 août 2021 à 13 h 55

#10

Dcochy

Rejoint: juin 2020

Messages: 355

Mentions "j'aime": 158

With or without Olffsson it costs a 1st to dump kassian and Koskinen together

gretzkyghosts a aimé ceci.

14 août 2021 à 14 h 6

#11

vikhodush

Rejoint: mai 2017

Messages: 6,694

Mentions "j'aime": 3,362

Quoting: CD282

Except Olofsson's stats aren't inflated, they're among the worst in the league at 5v5. He's a PP specialist and Edmonton has no room on their PP, he is a cap dump to them.

There’s a difference between a cap dump and not having a need for a player. Cap dumps occur when no team is willing to spend assets on a player.

14 août 2021 à 14 h 37

#12

thewookie1

Rejoint: juin 2016

Messages: 2,413

Mentions "j'aime": 1,014

Get rid of the retention on Eichel, otherwise not bad

Contracts could use some work though

14 août 2021 à 16 h 0

#13

gretzkyghosts

Démarrer sujet

Rejoint: avr. 2018

Messages: 5,352

Mentions "j'aime": 4,799

Thank you all for taking the time to comment.
I do not want to discuss the merits of the trades as a mountain of facts will never change most people minds.
I wanted to look at Ledge and Dairy's trade from the Sabres side and add an additional first round pick from a trade I saw an Edmonton fan post.
The salaries were plugged in without much consideration..
Lines were more or less random except I wanted to keep right and lefts shooters on their respective wings and keep Asplund - Mittelstadt - Thompson together.
I think this team would have a good chance for last over all but have a good future looking forward.

Quoting: CD282

Quoting: SevenLeg

Olofsson doesn't have much value, but it's certainly not negative. He can be a really useful player in the right circumstances.
The Kassian comparison doesn't do much -- Kassian's most common linemate in that two-year span was no other than Connor McDavid, while Olofsson's is Sam Reinhart.
Not to mention that Kassian literally drags down McDavid as the latter has significantly better stats without than with him.

Quoting: villenash

Quoting: Dcochy

With or without Olffsson it costs a 1st to dump kassian and Koskinen together

Quoting: vikhodush

There’s a difference between a cap dump and not having a need for a player. Cap dumps occur when no team is willing to spend assets on a player.

Quoting: thewookie1

Get rid of the retention on Eichel, otherwise not bad
Contracts could use some work though

villenash et GMTD a aimé ceci.

14 août 2021 à 16 h 25

#14

Ledge_And_Dairy

Rejoint: juin 2019

Messages: 38,306

Mentions "j'aime": 19,551

I just cant see Buffalo retaining on Eichel tbh, just very likely not going to happen. Look at Toronto right now, they retained Kessel half a decade ago while they were tanking and its still screwing woth their cap

gretzkyghosts et rollie1967 a aimé ceci.

16 août 2021 à 8 h 6

#15

CD282

Rejoint: mars 2017

Messages: 24,036

Mentions "j'aime": 7,746

Quoting: gretzkyghosts

So now you're expecting Edmonton to pay a 1st to downgrade their goaltending?

16 août 2021 à 15 h 50

#16

gretzkyghosts

Démarrer sujet

Rejoint: avr. 2018

Messages: 5,352

Mentions "j'aime": 4,799

Quoting: CD282

So now you're expecting Edmonton to pay a 1st to downgrade their goaltending?

This is all for fun.
I saw two trades:
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2722462
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2723493
One by a wings fan one by an oiler fan.
Anyway, we will see how Edmonton sheds cap space before the start of the season.

17 août 2021 à 10 h 8

#17

CD282

Rejoint: mars 2017

Messages: 24,036

Mentions "j'aime": 7,746

Quoting: gretzkyghosts

Do they need to though? I'm pretty sure their roster is set besides Yamamoto.

17 août 2021 à 12 h 35

#18

gretzkyghosts

Démarrer sujet

Rejoint: avr. 2018

Messages: 5,352

Mentions "j'aime": 4,799

Quoting: CD282

Do they need to though? I'm pretty sure their roster is set besides Yamamoto.

You know your team better than I but
https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/oilers
$3,223,968 over the cap with Yamamoto still to sign.
Archibald, Russel and Ryan could be put on waivers saving $3,150,000 still leaving the club $73,968 over the cap with Yamamoto still to sign.
I will yield to your greater knowledge of the Oilers, but from my perspective, it appears they need to shed significant cap.

Some team may want Kassian or even give up something to get him, but with the cap not rising for several years, I think the number of teams who will do that is limited.
The Devils gave the Sabres a fifth to take Butcher.
Butcher as a defenseman played fewer games than Kassian yet double Zack's scoring.
Plus Butcher's contract runs out this year while Zack's runs for 3 years.
Who will want to have Kassian on the team for the next 3 years.

You say Koskinen was mis-used at the start of the season.
Yet from March 1 to the end of the season he was 6-5 with a .906 SV% and 3.46 GAA
Hardly numbers worthy of his one year contract.

Please enlighten me how the Oilers will get under the cap and sign Yamamoto at $2,000,000 per year.

Let me close, I am not trying to convince you of anything, I am just pretending to make a team and put together trades that most likely favor the Sabres.
As I said, I used other player posts to develop this team.

BTW, I am only using this site now for fun as you can see I made other changes to the trades and added a highly fantastical narrative.

17 août 2021 à 13 h 5

#19

CD282

Rejoint: mars 2017

Messages: 24,036

Mentions "j'aime": 7,746

Quoting: gretzkyghosts

Why are you using March 1st as a cutoff for Koskinen's numbers? Smith came back February 8th... from then to the end of the season Koskinen was 8-6 with a .910 sv%... which is his average over the past 2 seasons (.916 without those 12 January games). FYI Smith was .912 over the past 2 seasons, so he's no better (and maybe worse) than Koskinen. He's never had to play 12 games in 24 nights while traveling thousands of miles through 4 time zones.

As for the current cap situation, you have to remember that CapFriendly is listing 25 players, and the Oilers can enter day 1 of the season with as few as 21 (20 + Klefbom). so assigning a bunch of guys to the AHL will get them under the cap even with Yamamoto signed. Pretty sure guys like Lagesson, Shore, Turris and Stalock will pass through waivers, and if they don't the Oilers won't care much.

17 août 2021 à 13 h 20

#20

rollie1967

Rejoint: mai 2016

Messages: 683

Mentions "j'aime": 272

the Oilers should have a little over 2mil cap space to sign Yamamoto, with Klefbom on the LTIR.
why would Montreal give away a 2nd for a guy going on LTIR in Byron? dont see it.
Toronto would want more than that for a 1st if theyre giving them away- they dont need another winger- their defense and goaltending are still suspect (Mrazek was a good move )
Georgiev may be an upgrade- and cheaper than Koskinen, but a 1st is too steep.

Répondre

Page 1 de 1

PARAMÈTRES D’AFFICHAGE

COTES DES PARIS

LANGUE

ARCHIVES

CBA

CALCS

OUTILS - FANTASY HOCKEY

OUTILS

JOUEURS

CONFÉRENCE DE L'OUEST

CONFÉRENCE DE L'EST

OUTILS INTERACTIFS

Forums/Armchair-GM