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Équipe: 2021-22 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
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    1. It will save you a lot of grief from the other team's fanbase
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      2. You'll have a better understanding of how ultra-competitive it is when it comes to building a winning team.
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        3. There are 31 other NHL teams that want the Stanley Cup and want to make a profit as much as your own.
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          4. Every team in the NHL is more interested in addressing their own needs as opposed to the needs of another team like yours.
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            5. There are some teams that are run by GMs that want you to lose a trade with them, because that is what makes their team better.

            A good example of that is Steve Yzerman :)
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              6. There are some teams that are run by GMs that are ok with losing a trade from time to time, as long as there is a possibility that it makes their team better.


              A good example of that is Stan Bowman when he only accepted a 2nd round pick for next year by taking on Tyler Johnson.
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                7. Or when Vegas essentially gave away Marc Andre Fleury, so they can get 7 million in cap space and build a better team for another Cup Run.

                Or at least a team made up of players who have agents that can get along with the team's front office better than Allan Walsh :D
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                Here is the first example of me trying to know what my team wants.


                1. Ottawa wants a #1 RD who can serve as a better partner to Thomas Chabot than Nikita Zaitsev and is able to stay in Ottawa after next year on a affordable contract.


                They are hard to get and would likely require sending Zaitsev back the other way or trading Zaitsev somewhere else.


                2. Ottawa also wants a #1 or #2 centre that is able to stay in Ottawa on an affordable contract if Tim Stutzle is unable to become a #1 or #2 centre.


                They could be easier for Ottawa to take in because we don't have a clear #1 or #2 centre besides Josh Norris.


                Christian Dvorak fits that need, he does not need a contract extension anytime soon and there are rumors circulating that Ottawa is interested in acquiring him.


                This is an example of a player that Ottawa might want.
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                1. Brännström, Erik
                2. Brown, Logan [Droits de RFA]
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                Here is the first example of me trying to know what another team wants.


                1. If you're unsure about what another team wants, the internet is the most readily-available solution.


                2. I found this article from Sports Illustrated:

                https://www.si.com/hockey/news/will-christian-dvorak-become-the-next-coyote-out-the-door


                3. What it says is that the asking price for Dvorak "could be two prospects or a prospect and a first round draft pick".


                4. It also says "Dvorak could be a good fit with the promising Senators".


                5. Logan Brown and Erik Brannstrom are both prospects.


                6. They are both first round draft picks.


                7. The Coyotes' asking price for Dvorak is met.


                8. Could Ottawa afford to part with them?


                9. Ottawa has several other prospects on its team.


                10. Ottawa has several other 1st round picks or prospects that were once 1st round picks.


                11. Therefore, this trade can be made.


                12. Both teams know what the other wants and gives that other team what they want.


                13. Both teams walk away happy or satisfied.


                14. Easy as 1-2-3.


                If you read to the bottom of this post, you are the greatest :D
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                9 août 2021 à 16 h 36
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                Say it louder for the people in the back.
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                9 août 2021 à 16 h 37
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                Quoting: Juiceman
                Say it louder for the people in the back.


                Funny
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                Funny


                I think everyone on this site has to see this post. I’m done with seeing ACGMs where people make trades that only benefit their team.
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                9 août 2021 à 16 h 40
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                I think everyone on this site has to see this post. I’m done with seeing ACGMs where people make trades that only benefit their team.


                It's still on page 1.

                Hopefully, they read it and not make any more posts until they have smile
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                I liked the Yzerman part haha.

                "Easy as 1-2-3" lol.... If people didn't overvalue they players on their favorite teams, myself included.

                That team looks interesting. A lot of low cap hit players. In fact there are so many that this team doesn't even hit the cap floor.

                Nice post
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                thing is Dvorak ain't any better than what OTT already has and trading the center piece of the Stone deal for a fringe 2C/3C is not good optics, 2x 2nds should be enough for Dvorak can add Abramov to the deal too .
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                Quoting: sensonfire
                It's still on page 1.

                Hopefully, they read it and not make any more posts until they have smile


                One can only hope
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                Spot on, especially with the Leafs one and the Yzerman part lol
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                thing is Dvorak ain't any better than what OTT already has and trading the center piece of the Stone deal for a fringe 2C/3C is not good optics, 2x 2nds should be enough for Dvorak can add Abramov to the deal too .


                Dvorak plays on Arizona's top powerplay and penalty killing units.

                He wins faceoffs.

                He has term left on his contract at a reasonable cap hit.

                He's Arizona's #1 centre when Nick Schmaltz isn't around.

                Arizona didn't really play much better than Ottawa this year.



                I think this trade could work IMO.
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                9 août 2021 à 16 h 45
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                I think everyone on this site has to see this post. I’m done with seeing ACGMs where people make trades that only benefit their team.


                Then don’t click. Everyone is free to voice their opinions for and against things. Last I checked this website was for fun. If people want to create trades like that make a comment and move on. I feel like I’ve gotten into long conversations about this when at the end of the day it’s not that serious.
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                9 août 2021 à 16 h 46
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                Well said, well said.
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                I wish there was a way to pin a post, like at the top of the page so everyone can see it.
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                Then don’t click. Everyone is free to voice their opinions for and against things. Last I checked this website was for fun. If people want to create trades like that make a comment and move on. I feel like I’ve gotten into long conversations about this when at the end of the day it’s not that serious.


                I don’t really have superpowers that tell me an ACGM has unrealistic trades before I even click on it therefore. I also think you think that I am criticizing this post which I’m not. I’m supporting this ACGM because I think it’s important for everyone to see and remember when they are making their own ACGM. I know this site is for fun but it’s probably more fun when you make realistic and good moves instead of sloppy ones that cause the entire site shut you down.
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                I wish there was a way to pin a post, like at the top of the page so everyone can see it.


                I was thinking the same thing. There should be a special spot for important posts like these for everyone to see.
                9 août 2021 à 16 h 51
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                Dvorak plays on Arizona's top powerplay and penalty killing units.

                He wins faceoffs.

                He has term left on his contract at a reasonable cap hit.

                He's Arizona's #1 centre when Nick Schmaltz isn't around.

                Arizona didn't really play much better than Ottawa this year.



                I think this trade could work IMO.


                just because AZ has no one better does not make him a 1-2C...Danault played on MTL 1st line for like 2 years , in no way shape or form is he a 1C, they just didn't have anyone better at the time. Zeitzev played 2D next to Chabot, ion no way is he a top 2 D.....
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                Then don’t click. Everyone is free to voice their opinions for and against things. Last I checked this website was for fun. If people want to create trades like that make a comment and move on. I feel like I’ve gotten into long conversations about this when at the end of the day it’s not that serious.


                I understand your perception here and you are correct, but to make it fun you HAVE to be reasonable and logical otherwise what's the point, everyone on here can trade Connor McDavid for 2 2nds and a b grade prospect with 50% retained but its not reasonable and ends up like clickbait where people feel annoyed.
                the best way to make this fun is put out deals that make a little sense and use players already rumored to want out or on the trading block. then we can come up with ideas and collaborate instead of bashing one another.
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                It's still on page 1.

                Hopefully, they read it and not make any more posts until they have smile


                Props to you for making well thought through ACGMs and educational posts for people. I do enjoy seeing quality posts as such.
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                I want to applaud you for research and logic, I still think your trade is a little off, but much closer than the ones I've put out for Dvorak so Kudos. I've read they want a first or high picks and a 1st round prospect, but I'm sure this will ebb and flow with offers coming in and them looking for the best return to improve their club in the future, they seem to be gearing up for a contention window in 3-4 years not any time soon.
                also READ THE DESCRIPTION BEFORE COMMENTING, sometimes people spell out their thinking up their and you can save everyone time by being courteous to peoples efforts on here.
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                just because AZ has no one better does not make him a 1-2C...Danault played on MTL 1st line for like 2 years , in no way shape or form is he a 1C, they just didn't have anyone better at the time. Zeitzev played 2D next to Chabot, ion no way is he a top 2 D.....


                Didn't Montreal just go to the Cup Finals with Danault playing a big role?
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                9 août 2021 à 17 h 8
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                Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
                I understand your perception here and you are correct, but to make it fun you HAVE to be reasonable and logical otherwise what's the point, everyone on here can trade Connor McDavid for 2 2nds and a b grade prospect with 50% retained but its not reasonable and ends up like clickbait where people feel annoyed.
                the best way to make this fun is put out deals that make a little sense and use players already rumored to want out or on the trading block. then we can come up with ideas and collaborate instead of bashing one another.


                Quoting: Juiceman
                I don’t really have superpowers that tell me an ACGM has unrealistic trades before I even click on it therefore. I also think you think that I am criticizing this post which I’m not. I’m supporting this ACGM because I think it’s important for everyone to see and remember when they are making their own ACGM. I know this site is for fun but it’s probably more fun when you make realistic and good moves instead of sloppy ones that cause the entire site shut you down.


                I think I may have mis-worded what I wanted to say, I just mean too often I get into arguments with people simply cause they have a different opinion. I’m not a fan on trolls on here either. I feel like when I post I try to at least provide value and show logic on behalf of both teams. Not saying I’m not biased occasionally because I am. I just think on an average post with nothing crazy it’d be nice to not get into a full blown argument that’s unnecessary in the grand scheme of just trying to have fun.
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                I think I may have mis-worded what I wanted to say, I just mean too often I get into arguments with people simply cause they have a different opinion. I’m not a fan on trolls on here either. I feel like when I post I try to at least provide value and show logic on behalf of both teams. Not saying I’m not biased occasionally because I am. I just think on an average post with nothing crazy it’d be nice to not get into a full blown argument that’s unnecessary in the grand scheme of just trying to have fun.


                no that's exactly what I got from what you said and I agree 100%.
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                Just on your Ottawa trade. Logan Brown is iffy an NHLer now. Ottawa has to add, but I do agree Dvorak might be good addition to the Sens, as Norris and Pinto grow into their roles...both could be stars.
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                no that's exactly what I got from what you said and I agree 100%.


                Hey you gotta be excited for Eklund. I think that’s gonna be a steal for you guys. I’m a big fan of him from the highlights I’ve seen.
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