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Créé par: swinny
Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 5 août 2021
Publié: 7 août 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
22 000 000 $
2900 000 $
41 250 000 $
66 000 000 $
53 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
32 750 000 $
78 500 000 $
1800 000 $
1800 000 $
11 000 000 $
Transactions
1.
TOR
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (PHI)
ARI
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
2.
TOR
  1. Bratt, Jesper [Droits de RFA]
  2. Wood, Miles [Droits de RFA]
3.
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
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2023
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $81 286 783 $212 500 $0 $213 217 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
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11 640 250 $11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 2
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
796 667 $796 667 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
6 962 366 $6 962 366 $
AD
UFA - 2
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
C
UFA - 2
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
950 000 $950 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
900 000 $900 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
DG
UFA - 8
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
3 800 000 $3 800 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
G
UFA - 5
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
900 000 $900 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
800 000 $800 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
800 000 $800 000 $
DG
UFA - 1

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7 août 2021 à 19 h 11
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That doesnt get you an autographed picture of marner let alone marner himself
7 août 2021 à 19 h 15
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That doesnt get you an autographed picture of marner let alone marner himself


I think you are sorely underestimating how good Bratt is.

Sure, Leafs maybe able to get a draft pick, but moving an almost $11 million deal isn't gonna fetch market value.

Tale of that tape will be the Eichel deal the Sabres can't make.
7 août 2021 à 19 h 47
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A reasonable Marner-to-NJ trade.
7 août 2021 à 20 h 29
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Hahahaha what? Devils take that, breaks the phone, runs into hiding so you can’t call them back
7 août 2021 à 20 h 34
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
A reasonable Marner-to-NJ trade.


I think so. People don't see just how good Bratt is🤷‍♂️
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7 août 2021 à 20 h 37
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
A reasonable Marner-to-NJ trade.


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I think so. People don't see just how good Bratt is🤷‍♂️


And you are forgetting who marner is apperently
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7 août 2021 à 20 h 58
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Quoting: swinny
I think you are sorely underestimating how good Bratt is.

Sure, Leafs maybe able to get a draft pick, but moving an almost $11 million deal isn't gonna fetch market value.

Tale of that tape will be the Eichel deal the Sabres can't make.


I think you are sorely underestimating how good the guy who just finished 4th in league scoring is. Imagine trading him for a pair of 30pt wingers with nothing else coming back then talking about cap space when there is NOTHING left in free agency

Bratt could be a piece in a Marner deal. but it would take Holtz, Ty Smith and a 1st as well
7 août 2021 à 21 h 0
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Quoting: swinny
I think so. People don't see just how good Bratt is🤷‍♂️


He has been between 30-35pts all four years. Marner has a 94pt season and just finished 4th in league scoring with a 100pt full season pace.
you dont get a superstar for a "good" player and a 3rd line winger
7 août 2021 à 21 h 38
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I think you are sorely underestimating how good Bratt is.

Sure, Leafs maybe able to get a draft pick, but moving an almost $11 million deal isn't gonna fetch market value.

Tale of that tape will be the Eichel deal the Sabres can't make.


I think you are underestimating how good marner is. Bratt is a 3rd level throw in for a guy like that
7 août 2021 à 21 h 39
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Quoting: Halla
I think you are sorely underestimating how good the guy who just finished 4th in league scoring is. Imagine trading him for a pair of 30pt wingers with nothing else coming back then talking about cap space when there is NOTHING left in free agency

Bratt could be a piece in a Marner deal. but it would take Holtz, Ty Smith and a 1st as well


And Devils would never do that
7 août 2021 à 21 h 39
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Devils accept
7 août 2021 à 21 h 42
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Devils accept


Toronto does not, and I’m not even a marner fan. That is just ansolute robbery.
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7 août 2021 à 22 h 24
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Quoting: swinny
I think so. People don't see just how good Bratt is🤷‍♂️


I'm not sure Bratt is that good, and by signing Reilly, the Leafs are weak in other positions.
I'm not the big fan of Reilly, but it sure looks like he is going to be overpaid by some one, just don't want my team to do it.
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7 août 2021 à 22 h 27
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The Coyotes have been stocking up on 2nds, and I assure you it's not so they can go out and get Alex Kerfoot with one of them.
8 août 2021 à 0 h 30
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Quoting: swinny
I think so. People don't see just how good Bratt is🤷‍♂️


He is very, very good.
Had a late start last year with visa/quarantine
Had late start two years ago with broken jaw.
Had good streaks both years.
Possession stats are fantastic, needs to shoot a bit more.

Major break-out candidate


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I'm not sure Bratt is that good, and by signing Reilly, the Leafs are weak in other positions.
I'm not the big fan of Reilly, but it sure looks like he is going to be overpaid by some one, just don't want my team to do it.


He is that good
8 août 2021 à 2 h 11
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Quoting: DroverD2
And you are forgetting who marner is apperently


An undersized winger grossly overpaid that vanishes in the playoffs > A player that can't compete when things get tight and tough
8 août 2021 à 11 h 26
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Quoting: Cooper2015
An undersized winger grossly overpaid that vanishes in the playoffs > A player that can't compete when things get tight and tough


Lol no
8 août 2021 à 11 h 53
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Lol no


seriously ? No ?
8 août 2021 à 17 h 35
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The Coyotes have been stocking up on 2nds, and I assure you it's not so they can go out and get Alex Kerfoot with one of them.


Could be any team really. We can debate how successful the Yotes will be in the UFA market, hence Kerfoot and a pick for the pick.
8 août 2021 à 17 h 37
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I'm not sure Bratt is that good, and by signing Reilly, the Leafs are weak in other positions.
I'm not the big fan of Reilly, but it sure looks like he is going to be overpaid by some one, just don't want my team to do it.


Bratt for me projects to be a PPG guy. Not Marber no, but a far more affordable compliment to the 1st line.

As for Reilly, I agree he should be moved, but the way this is setting up he is gone for nothing.

I chose poison #1 here.
8 août 2021 à 17 h 41
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I think you are underestimating how good marner is. Bratt is a 3rd level throw in for a guy like that


I am just gonna disagree.

Great playmaking abiliy. As pointed out, excellent possesion numbers on a mediocre team. Same age. Smaller contract. Should be a PPG guy ......

Everyone is looking at Bratt, but the sum is bigger than the parts.
8 août 2021 à 17 h 43
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He has been between 30-35pts all four years. Marner has a 94pt season and just finished 4th in league scoring with a 100pt full season pace.
you dont get a superstar for a "good" player and a 3rd line winger


Bratt is going to be more than a "good" player. Shades on Elias I see.

Moving Marner means you are NOT getting back a player that can donthe same things.
8 août 2021 à 17 h 54
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I am just gonna disagree.

Great playmaking abiliy. As pointed out, excellent possesion numbers on a mediocre team. Same age. Smaller contract. Should be a PPG guy ......

Everyone is looking at Bratt, but the sum is bigger than the parts.


Bratt is the same age as Marner and has barely had one season that matched Marners worst season. He has one season with excellent possession numbers, as opposed to Marner having good poessession numbers every year but once. Bratt is also given more offensive zone starts than Marner.
Marner IS a ppg+ guy, and of course Bratt has a smaller contract, he isnt nearly as good.
8 août 2021 à 18 h 3
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
Bratt is the same age as Marner and has barely had one season that matched Marners worst season. He has one season with excellent possession numbers, as opposed to Marner having good poessession numbers every year but once. Bratt is also given more offensive zone starts than Marner.
Marner IS a ppg+ guy, and of course Bratt has a smaller contract, he isnt nearly as good.


Never said he was.

Point is Leafs will never get a player "like" Marner in a deal. Just like the Sabres won't get a player just like Eichel in a deal.

People in various illustrations have shown the short comings of Marner in various posts. He isn't a franchise player, but he is paid like one.

Bratt's game is similar to that of Marner (more the playmaker), so the chemistry works with Matthews imo. Advanced stats on Bratt are subjective. Devils aren't exactly world beaters..... yet. And, to my recollection, has yet to play steady minutes with either Hirscher or Hughes..... Devils fans feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

Bratt will be a 70-80 point guy..... just because he isn't there yet doesn't mean he won't be.
8 août 2021 à 18 h 33
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Never said he was.

Point is Leafs will never get a player "like" Marner in a deal. Just like the Sabres won't get a player just like Eichel in a deal.

People in various illustrations have shown the short comings of Marner in various posts. He isn't a franchise player, but he is paid like one.

Bratt's game is similar to that of Marner (more the playmaker), so the chemistry works with Matthews imo. Advanced stats on Bratt are subjective. Devils aren't exactly world beaters..... yet. And, to my recollection, has yet to play steady minutes with either Hirscher or Hughes..... Devils fans feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

Bratt will be a 70-80 point guy..... just because he isn't there yet doesn't mean he won't be.


so you cant get a similar player so you get a much worse one for him? Where is the logic there? Bratt isnt like marner at all, he's a 30 point 2nd liner with middling defensive impacts. He wouldnt have chemistry with matthews, if anything he'd have to be carried by him.
and suddenly advanced stats are subjective? Dude, you used em to champion a guy and suddenly when they dont line up with that they are subjective?
Bratt has never even been a 40-50 guy, and if he can become that then Marner can become a 150-170 guy
 
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