The Danault signing is still interesting to me, mainly because it blocks Vilardi, Turrcotte, and Byfield from becoming a center man for a few years. But yah, they will be a good team in a few if all there prospects turn out.

i think Turcotte ends up on the wing and Vilardi gets traded in a package for a top LD. Danault becomes the 3C eventually. I also dont think thats close to enough for girard

Not even close for girard, they aren’t trading him

If you want him then pay up a painful value for him like byfield. Avs have 0 desire to trade him other wise

You guys really make me wonder, demanding Byfield for everything, Girard is a one-dimensional defenseman and the deal is more than fair.

It’s not tho. Vilardi in the deal , there would be some discussions

If Vilardi breaks out this year it would be difficult to trade him, but I could see Kupari and Madden gone alongside draft picks for a defenseman.

Girard is not a 1 dimensional Dman, if you dont even know who is as a player you really shouldn't bearguing that avs fans and non avs fans dont are the ones wrong about his value

Dude come on now

I agree, but Vilardi + 1st would be too much, especially if Vilardi has a good year.

That's not even close for Girard. If you want him it needs to include one of your young top 6 center prospects, Turcotte/Vilardi/Byfield.

No it isn’t and he isn’t one dimensional. How does a one dimensional dman have a 5v5 60.5 CF, and an xGD of 19? Throw in he is signed long term and that package that has ZERO appeal to the Avs. Why would they want Clague when they have Makar, Byram and Barron, and what’s the appeal of Madden for them? Such an easy easy no.

I don't think you know who Byfield is, but I've seen Girard enough to tell that he's a Tory Krug type of defenseman slightly more well rounded, but not enough to consider him a 2-way guy, his size wont allow that either.

You called him a 1 dimensional Dman and you couldn't be more wrong and are now just trying to stereotype the guy bc hes small....and you say you watch him, then you know how good he is defensively. So which is it...and dont worry there is all the data and stats to back up how good he is defensively.

And you are the 1 desperate for a Dman, Avs are not shopping one so you have to pay up for something you want....especially talent. And we are very much aware who Byfield is and the Turcotte/Vilardi level guys. You want talent, you have to pay talent to get it

I could see Kupari,Madden,1st. I'm not sure about Turcotte and Vilardi, it would have to be 1 for 1.

Avs playstyle does magic, Avs play a great system that helps cover up for one another flaws, but the division being poor also played into that. Again, I'm NOT arguing that he's a bad player, or that Vilardi for Girard would be a bad trade, my only argument is that you don't get the value of Byfield, and or Girard. Girard is not a top 2 defenseman, top 4 with a high offensive upside. Byfield is a top center prospect, who's going to be a top 10 two-way center in the league.

You can’t trade for a player that’s not available unless you over pay, it’s as simple as that

You want an avs young top 4 dman, you have to pry them
Out of Colorado.

And you’re once again trying to under sell an avs player..seriously the system and division? Girard is good bc girard the player is good.

Basically saying though is that if you want a guy from a team that doesn't want to trade him, the value has to be so over the top that they can't say no. The avalanche are front runners for a cup and will be for the next few years. Girard is irreplaceable to them, they don't have anyone that can fill his void. Byram is going to be good but he's not there yet, and they want to win now. So trading Girard would have a negative effect on their teams chances of winning now. So again if you want the guy expect to pay a kings ransom or at least send a guy back that could fill the void that he leaves.

I agree with all that you said, I base trade offers solely off of clean value, I also thought Byram should be ready to step in so Girard is not untouchable, but he does represent much value to the team.

I didn't watch a ton of Colorado this season but what I saw, Byram looked good, just not quite there yet though. I also think that's why they signed Murray so they can have a decent guy to slot in here and there for him or for injuries.

Byram and girard. Neither are available and both are fixtures to their top 4 this season and multiple following seasons

Girard isn’t being moved

They signed Murray bc they had to trade Timmins for kuemper, Murray is Timmins replacement

You are right in what you say, - Byfield. I do think very high of the Avs system, but it works extremely too well against lesser opponents, against the tougher competition it can show fault, so the Avs have yet work to do.

I think within the next two years Avs will probably have to trade Toews or Girard tho, who do you think it will be? I like Toews more, but he's older.

They won’t be trading any of them, it’s simple. Avs are trying to win the cup, those d men help that goal

There is 0 chance an avs dman is traded go the kings, you arent getting one for the packages you think are fair

Start over paying in offers avs might listen then

Avs are in win-now mode, why would they want a 1st and non-impact prospects?

Good for them if that's so, that's a solid core if they can keep them around.