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Quoting: Gmonwy

Markstrom most likely won't waive. We aren't trading Tkachuk unless we get a 1C. We wouldn't trade Markstrom unless we are rebuilding

This is exclusively in rebuild mode.

You have mentioned this on a few threads that you essentially want back the player you are trading (Tkachuk for first line Center). Can you please explain why that helps the team moving forward? If you want to get better in the future, you want future players hence one of florida's top forward prospects and two selections. I can see maybe getting a top center prospect though like Lundell but I would be confident he is 'untouchable' for Florida.

19 juin 2021 à 16 h 46

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Philly passes hard on that. Philly doesn't need another LD and you aren't getting that big return for Giordano.

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19 juin 2021 à 16 h 47

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Flames just hired Sutter and signed him to a 3 year deal, they will not be rebuilding for at least a couple years.

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19 juin 2021 à 16 h 48

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Quoting: HikinenNisti

Philly passes hard on that. Philly doesn't need another LD and you aren't getting that big return for Giordano.

It's not that big of a return since Ghost is basically a cap dump

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19 juin 2021 à 16 h 49

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That Tkachuk deal is very rough.

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19 juin 2021 à 16 h 52

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We accept that Tkachuk deal after 0.1 seconds of thinking

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19 juin 2021 à 16 h 53

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I don’t think the Pens do that deal.

Jarry is still just 26 years old, was 25-9 and was a division winning goalie. Was an All-Star the year b4. And he has a good contract.

The Pens organization is talking about signing a vet back up-1B goalie. Not trading Jarry.

19 juin 2021 à 16 h 54

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Quoting: HikinenNisti

Philly passes hard on that. Philly doesn't need another LD and you aren't getting that big return for Giordano.

Philly was a disaster last year defensively. You might have left shot D's but ya'll need left shot D's!

Quoting: LittleBroDougie

That Tkachuk deal is very rough.

You think? Need more current players? More picks? I thought roster player, top prospects, and two decent selections was close to market value.

19 juin 2021 à 17 h 3

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Quoting: oyogeo

You think? Need more current players? More picks? I thought roster player, top prospects, and two decent selections was close to market value.

To be blunt, that Tkachuk trade belongs in the discard bin behind a planned parenthood. What it needs is less Tkachuk, it's the only way to save it.

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19 juin 2021 à 17 h 5

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Quoting: Lunatik

It's not that big of a return since Ghost is basically a cap dump

Giordano is overpaid and regressing so his value isn't worth much. Ghost is overpaid, but he still got good offensive production so dumping him probably costs around a 2nd rounder. So lets say 1st rounder = 2 2nd rounders, we are basically giving up 1 1/2 first rounders for Giordano who we don't even need.

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19 juin 2021 à 17 h 7

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Quoting: oyogeo

Philly was a disaster last year defensively. You might have left shot D's but ya'll need left shot D's!

Philly needs a RHD and our LD is full for next season.

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19 juin 2021 à 17 h 11

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This is likely Treliving's last chance as a GM. Rightly or wrongly, the moves the Flames make this offseason will be geared toward getting this team into the 2022 Stanley Cup Playoffs.

The earliest I see a rebuild being considered would be after the 21/22 season, because if the Flames miss the playoffs, they are likely looking for a new GM. The new GM would have some runway to build this team back up again, Treliving doesn't likely have that much leash left as the team has been extremely inconsistent since 14/15

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19 juin 2021 à 17 h 14

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Quoting: HikinenNisti

This is downright ****ing laughable.
Giordano is still a top pair defenseman and his supposed regression was because Geoff Ward was a terrible coach, once Sutter showed up Gio started playing like his old self. Ghost might produce offensively, but if he's in your top 4 your team is going to bleed chances against. Giordano is easily worth a 1st and you'll have to pay soemone t take Ghost and that abomination of a contract.

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19 juin 2021 à 17 h 24

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That’s literally highway robbery of the pens. Absolutely not even close. You want the pens to take Markstrom then Calgary should be adding lol. Markstrom ain’t worth a top prospect that’s nhl ready, a decent goalie prospect, a 2nd, and a starting goalie that’s better than Markstrom and on a better contract. No thanks

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19 juin 2021 à 17 h 36

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Why the rush to get rid of Markstrom?

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19 juin 2021 à 18 h 5

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Quoting: Pensfan89

That's some pens colored glasses right there. Said with love. Granted he actually MADE the playoffs but had a .888% against the islanders......

Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

Why the rush to get rid of Markstrom?

No rush really. Just felt as though the pens would be a good fit. I found it tough to find a partner for any of the other big forwards. Except Lindholm, even in online trades I refuse lol.

19 juin 2021 à 18 h 7

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Quoting: Lunatik

Just because Girodano works under Sutter's system doesn't mean he will work with Vigneault's as well. Philly isn't paying a 1st rounder for a 6,75 mil "first pair defenseman" whos 37 and a pending UFA when we already have Provorov on LD. Max I would give for Giordano is a 2nd rounder considering all those factors.

19 juin 2021 à 18 h 8

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Quoting: HikinenNisti

Again, yes you have currently players that play the position but that doesnt mean you dont try to improve right?
Just because you have a #1 dman, you dont turn away another one! There just isnt that many players that can play top pair being shopped regardless of age.

19 juin 2021 à 18 h 8

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Quoting: oyogeo

That's some pens colored glasses right there. Said with love. Granted he actually MADE the playoffs but had a .888% against the islanders......

No rush really. Just felt as though the pens would be a good fit. I found it tough to find a partner for any of the other big forwards. Except Lindholm, even in online trades I refuse lol.

Ahh haha cool. Yeah, I mean, I'd love Markstrom on the Pens. How about Magiapane? What would it take to get him?

19 juin 2021 à 18 h 12

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

Ahh haha cool. Yeah, I mean, I'd love Markstrom on the Pens. How about Magiapane? What would it take to get him?

That is a good question! I would be loathe to deal him but probably a 2nd and decent prospect (maybe more?)

19 juin 2021 à 18 h 18

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Quoting: oyogeo

That is a good question! I would be loathe to deal him but probably a 2nd and decent prospect (maybe more?)

How about Zucker and prospect Nathan Legare?

19 juin 2021 à 18 h 20

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

How about Zucker and prospect Nathan Legare?

Zucker probably blocks it I would guess.

19 juin 2021 à 18 h 21

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Quoting: HikinenNisti

My point was you claimed Giordano has no value, he has plenty of value. Maybe Pilly isn't the fit, but he absolutely has plenty of value.

19 juin 2021 à 18 h 21

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