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Actually fixing the oilers without paying tatar 7 mil no big moves

Créé par: ConnorMcHellebucyk
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Équipe: 2021-22 Oilers d'Edmonton
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    25 mai 2021 à 11 h 33
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    Ur over the cap.
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    So the way you fixed the Oilers is by bringing everyone back...with higher cap hits LOL.

    Nuge, Larsson, Khaira don’t really deserve raises. They’d be lucky to get their existing AAVs.
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    25 mai 2021 à 11 h 35
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    Ok but Detroit passes. They don't need another RHD with Hronek, Seider, Stecher and a couple of prospects.
    25 mai 2021 à 11 h 36
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    Quoting: DripBayless
    So the way you fixed the Oilers is by bringing everyone back...with higher cap hits LOL.

    Nuge, Larsson, Khaira don’t really deserve raises. They’d be lucky to get their existing AAVs.


    Nuge has been above replacement for a while. Larsson has actually played as a shutdown guy with great stats this year. Khaira is give or take. He’s been a good PK guy who can hit. As we’ve learned from Toronto, grit is not terrible to have.
    25 mai 2021 à 11 h 37
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    And the bottom 6 forwards are barely NHLers. None of them are very good. You're better off getting 6 new players.
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    25 mai 2021 à 11 h 37
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    Ok but Detroit passes. They don't need another RHD with Hronek, Seider, Stecher and a couple of prospects.

    Was basically to a random team. I thought blashill and yzerman could get more out of him than tipp.
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    25 mai 2021 à 11 h 38
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    And that bottom 6 forwards are barely NHLers. None of them are very good. You're better off getting 6 new players.

    Again, too many moves can cause turmoil. This was a very close series and if not for Hellebuyck’s 6+ goals above replacement against the oilers would’ve been more competitive. I like the bottom 6, it has grit and skill. Other than archibald who would you replace?
    25 mai 2021 à 11 h 39
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    Ur over the cap.

    Thanks for noticing. But if you look at most competitive teams, they are over the cap by much more, and can do some circumvention. 65k is not much if you consider that someone will certainly be injured through next season.
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    25 mai 2021 à 11 h 41
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    Not saying they should but don’t the Oilers at least have to think about what they could get in Draisitl trade? It would bring back a kings ransom and some cap space as well.
    25 mai 2021 à 11 h 42
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    Not saying they should but don’t the Oilers at least have to think about what they could get in Draisitl trade? It would bring back a kings ransom and some cap space as well.


    And 10 more years of mediocrity. People don’t seem to understand that draisaitl and mcdavid are the furthest thing from the reason the oilers lost. They played out of their minds last night but the depth couldn’t hold it together.
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    25 mai 2021 à 11 h 45
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    Quoting: ConnorMcHellebucyk
    Again, too many moves can cause turmoil. This was a very close series and if not for Hellebuyck’s 6+ goals above replacement against the oilers would’ve been more competitive. I like the bottom 6, it has grit and skill. Other than archibald who would you replace?


    I'm not 100% sure how to take this. From the outside looking in...it seems like you're perfectly fine with winning 1 playoff game in 2 years. When you just finished a triple OT game an realized the Khaira played 10:51 for the entire game... When Koekkoek played 9:58... You want to give them raises? I for one like seeing McDavid's frustration. Holland needs to do whatever he can to shed Mikko and Neal. Then you get $10.25M to work with. Then you can actually get real NHL depth players. I'd get rid of all 6 of them to be perfectly honest.
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    25 mai 2021 à 11 h 46
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    the problem of the oilers having no top 9 NHL players is still there.
    25 mai 2021 à 11 h 48
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    the problem of the oilers having no top 9 NHL players is still there.


    Who’s not a top nine player? An argument can be made for archibald but outside of that...
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    I'm not 100% sure how to take this. From the outside looking in...it seems like you're perfectly fine with winning 1 playoff game in 2 years. When you just finished a triple OT game an realized the Khaira played 10:51 for the entire game... When Koekkoek played 9:58... You want to give them raises? I for one like seeing McDavid's frustration. Holland needs to do whatever he can to shed Mikko and Neal. Then you get $10.25M to work with.

    It’s unrealistic to move those contracts in a flat cap era. These games were won by Hellebuyck, not the jets as a team. 6+ goals saved above expected per game. The oilers were not getting shelled out like St Louis. Adding another top nine player and getting klefbom back will help immensely. Koekoek can stay at 850, it doesn’t really matter. But Khaira progressed extremely well this season and is a legit grinder/bottom 6 energy guy.
    25 mai 2021 à 11 h 53
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    Who’s not a top nine player? An argument can be made for archibald but outside of that...


    Drai and RNH should be 2c and 3Cs not wingers, the fact they have to play LW is all you need to know that they have no NHL caliber wingers in EDM and leaves them with no good 2C and 3C Yammy and JP are not top 6 wingers, JP is looking like a bust for a 3rd OA.

    EDM should be the TOP of the NHL but because of crap GMs they are barely a playoff team.
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    25 mai 2021 à 11 h 56
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    And 10 more years of mediocrity. People don’t seem to understand that draisaitl and mcdavid are the furthest thing from the reason the oilers lost. They played out of their minds last night but the depth couldn’t hold it together.


    Not arguing but they they scored 4 and 5 pts in a 4 game series they got swept in. I don’t think it is unreasonable to assume that those two should have been good for at least ONE win. Again not arguing that they played hard but I think it is very fair to ask the question why 2 Hart trophy winners got beat last year by Chicago and swept by the Jets. Neither of those teams are remotely close to being the best in the league. The Oilers aren’t going to draft high with both of them, bringing back the same cast isn’t going to change anything really. What if a Draisitl trade brought back a Lafrienere, a high draft pick, a dman, and a top 6 forward? Again I’m not saying they should just trying to get dialogue on thoughts of moving him.
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    Drai and RNH should be 2c and 3Cs not wingers, the fact they have to play LW is all you need to know that they have no NHL caliber wingers in EDM and leaves them with no good 2C and 3C Yammy and JP are not top 6 wingers, JP is looking like a bust for a 3rd OA.


    So this shows me you have not watched the oilers this season. Draisaitl played with mcdavid last night and McLeod was a fine 2c. Nuge and drai can both be 2c as well. RNH is much too good for 3c and did not play much this year. Yamamoto took a large step back this year but was still effective. Pulju had a fantastic year. He’s like nichuskin but better. He was a fantastic two way forechecker with a 76% WAR rating.
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    Not arguing but they they scored 4 and 5 pts in a 4 game series they got swept in. I don’t think it is unreasonable to assume that those two should have been good for at least ONE win. Again not arguing that they played hard but I think it is very fair to ask the question why 2 Hart trophy winners got beat last year by Chicago and swept by the Jets. Neither of those teams are remotely close to being the best in the league. The Oilers aren’t going to draft high with both of them, bringing back the same cast isn’t going to change anything really. What if a Draisitl trade brought back a Lafrienere, a high draft pick, a dman, and a top 6 forward? Again I’m not saying they should just trying to get dialogue on thoughts of moving him.

    I like the reasoning but I dont see it as the right move. At this point I think riding it out is best. Edmonton has a really poor development system and I think bringing in younger players will hurt them long term. I want to see mcdavid and draisaitl to adjust to the playoff beast more than they have. It’s a hard problem to solve for sure, but a drastic trade of that level seems overkill to me. If he were to go to the rangers for example, lafrenriere or fox would have to come back and someone like lindqvist, miller or another young defenseman and a first or two. But again, I really dont see a trade like that being realistic.
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    25 mai 2021 à 12 h 2
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    Quoting: ConnorMcHellebucyk
    It’s unrealistic to move those contracts in a flat cap era. These games were won by Hellebuyck, not the jets as a team. 6+ goals saved above expected per game. The oilers were not getting shelled out like St Louis. Adding another top nine player and getting klefbom back will help immensely. Koekoek can stay at 850, it doesn’t really matter. But Khaira progressed extremely well this season and is a legit grinder/bottom 6 energy guy.


    Where there's a will, there's a way. ANA or CHI. It might be uncomfortable, but once you rip off the band-aid...you're going to A.) make your core players VERY happy and B.) start winning playoff games. Getting $10.25M means you can very likely afford Goodrow, Coleman, AND Luke Glendening. Those are some of the best role players in the NHL right now.

    Keep Khaira. He can play the PK. Klef may never play another game in the NHL. I HOPE he does. I just wouldn't be counting on it.
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    Where there's a will, there's a way. ANA or CHI. It might be uncomfortable, but once you rip off the band-aid...you're going to A.) make your core players VERY happy and B.) start winning playoff games. Getting $10.25M means you can very likely afford Goodrow, Coleman, AND Luke Glendening. Those are some of the best role players in the NHL right now.

    Keep Khaira. He can play the PK. Klef may never play another game in the NHL. I HOPE he does. I just wouldn't be counting on it.


    I like the idea of Coleman and Goodrow but that’s if they walk. They also dont provide too much offensively which would be sorely missed without draisaitl. Mcdavid simply cannot carry a line like Crosby used to at that age. Getting role players, prospects and depth at the cost of a top ten player just doesn’t work in my book. Especially considering the terrible oilers development system. i hope all the best for klef though. Hopefully he can make it back, he was missed out there.
    25 mai 2021 à 12 h 9
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    So this shows me you have not watched the oilers this season. Draisaitl played with mcdavid last night and McLeod was a fine 2c. Nuge and drai can both be 2c as well. RNH is much too good for 3c and did not play much this year. Yamamoto took a large step back this year but was still effective. Pulju had a fantastic year. He’s like nichuskin but better. He was a fantastic two way forechecker with a 76% WAR rating.


    maybe is you took off you oilers colored glasses and actually looked at the oilers you could see their problems, EDM has zero secondary scoring, their 2c and 3c would barely be 4c on any other playoff team right now and JP and yammy would be 4th liners on those same teams.
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    maybe is you took off you oilers colored glasses and actually looked at the oilers you could see their problems, EDM has zero secondary scoring, their 2c and 3c would barely be 4c on any other playoff team right now and JP and yammy would be 4th liners on those same teams.


    Quoting: athrin
    maybe is you took off you oilers colored glasses and actually looked at the oilers you could see their problems, EDM has zero secondary scoring, their 2c and 3c would barely be 4c on any other playoff team right now and JP and yammy would be 4th liners on those same teams.


    Any stats or reasoning? You’ve provided no evidence other than “they suck” what team would Puljujarvi be a fourth liner on? Yamamoto was almost a ppg last year. Please give some evidence instead of making things up.
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    Quoting: ConnorMcHellebucyk
    Any stats or reasoning? You’ve provided no evidence other than “they suck” what team would Puljujarvi be a fourth liner on? Yamamoto was almost a ppg last year. Please give some evidence instead of making things up.


    when half of the goals from your top 6 comes from 2 players you have a problem, last year is not this year, EVERYONE that is objective can see the problems with EDM and they all say the same thing, YOU cannot be objective it seems
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    25 mai 2021 à 13 h 0
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    Quoting: exo2769
    Where there's a will, there's a way. ANA or CHI. It might be uncomfortable, but once you rip off the band-aid...you're going to A.) make your core players VERY happy and B.) start winning playoff games. Getting $10.25M means you can very likely afford Goodrow, Coleman, AND Luke Glendening. Those are some of the best role players in the NHL right now.

    Keep Khaira. He can play the PK. Klef may never play another game in the NHL. I HOPE he does. I just wouldn't be counting on it.


    You had me all the way up to Glendening. Face offs don’t matter if you basically suck at everything else. But you are right about the contracts. What’s ironic is how many teams are in that gee I really wish we could just make that one or two contracts go away.
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