You had me all the way up to Glendening. Face offs don’t matter if you basically suck at everything else. But you are right about the contracts. What’s ironic is how many teams are in that gee I really wish we could just make that one or two contracts go away.

Leon top 5 biggest frauds in the league

when half of the goals from your top 6 comes from 2 players you have a problem, last year is not this year, EVERYONE that is objective can see the problems with EDM and they all say the same thing, YOU cannot be objective it seems

Bear would be a bottom pairing RHD in Detroit, Noway in hell we're surrendering a 2nd and 3rd round pick for him.

I shall refer you to my reply on Aedorans similar comment.

Nuge has been above replacement for a while. Larsson has actually played as a shutdown guy with great stats this year. Khaira is give or take. He’s been a good PK guy who can hit. As we’ve learned from Toronto, grit is not terrible to have.

Again, too many moves can cause turmoil. This was a very close series and if not for Hellebuyck’s 6+ goals above replacement against the oilers would’ve been more competitive. I like the bottom 6, it has grit and skill. Other than archibald who would you replace?

I can hardly imagine a more disappointing, flaccid offseason. You've done nothing but lose 2 decent young defenders, bring in a meh goalie and overpay everyone in sight. This isn't "doing nothing", its worse.

I'm not 100% sure how to take this. From the outside looking in...it seems like you're perfectly fine with winning 1 playoff game in 2 years. When you just finished a triple OT game an realized the Khaira played 10:51 for the entire game... When Koekkoek played 9:58... You want to give them raises? I for one like seeing McDavid's frustration. Holland needs to do whatever he can to shed Mikko and Neal. Then you get $10.25M to work with. Then you can actually get real NHL depth players. I'd get rid of all 6 of them to be perfectly honest.

It’s unrealistic to move those contracts in a flat cap era. These games were won by Hellebuyck, not the jets as a team. 6+ goals saved above expected per game. The oilers were not getting shelled out like St Louis. Adding another top nine player and getting klefbom back will help immensely. Koekoek can stay at 850, it doesn’t really matter. But Khaira progressed extremely well this season and is a legit grinder/bottom 6 energy guy.

I can hardly imagine a more disappointing, flaccid offseason. You've done nothing but lose 2 decent young defenders, bring in a meh goalie and overpay everyone in sight. This isn't "doing nothing", its worse.

Not arguing but they they scored 4 and 5 pts in a 4 game series they got swept in. I don’t think it is unreasonable to assume that those two should have been good for at least ONE win. Again not arguing that they played hard but I think it is very fair to ask the question why 2 Hart trophy winners got beat last year by Chicago and swept by the Jets. Neither of those teams are remotely close to being the best in the league. The Oilers aren’t going to draft high with both of them, bringing back the same cast isn’t going to change anything really. What if a Draisitl trade brought back a Lafrienere, a high draft pick, a dman, and a top 6 forward? Again I’m not saying they should just trying to get dialogue on thoughts of moving him.

McLeod is a fringe 4C right now, Turris isn't an NHLer. You've got them at 2C and 3C. This is your idea of a team that can win in the playoffs??

Losing Jones to Seattle is pretty much a given. Trading bear depends on klefbom’s status. I really think the problem was we ran into a white hot goalie in Hellebuyck and that too many drastic changes is fool hardy. I see agms trading draisaitl, and moving 10+ mil of cap which is super unrealistic. Bringing Andersen in short term, easing Bouchard, Broberg, McLeod and maybe Holloway in as well as some more progression from the bottom 6 is a recipe for success. It’s a hard problem to solve, but crazy reactionary moves is not smart long term. What more could holland have done? Moved a first for hall and lost in 6 games instead? He did the best he could’ve.

What do you think of the team below?
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/453328?post_id=2352832

Between last year and this, McDavid has 13 points in 8 playoff games (1.63 P/GP) and Draisaitl has 11 in 8 (1.38 P/GP). Laying these losses on them is silly.

Playing against CHI and WPJ both lower seeds where they literally won 1 game. And you are playing some smoke and mirrors with those numbers career McDavid is 1.04 ppg player, and Draisitl is a 1.28 ppg player. Throw out ONE game against CHI and McDavid is a .9 ppg player, but regardless. When you are the higher seed, and when you have the best player in the league that year someone has to be responsible. The best teams the best players don’t take a back seat. I’m not saying it is all their fault, but i would think it is embarrassing as hell to lose 7 of 8 in the playoffs.

Yeah, I'm sure they're pissed about the recent playoff record, but I can't get behind anyone laying this on them.