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Trading up into top five of 2021 Draft

Créé par: AFox23
Équipe: 2021-22 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 3 mai 2021
Publié: 3 mai 2021
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Rangers are loaded at wing and need to add a centre. Matty Beniers may be the best option. Who says yes to these trade offers? Or what is the counter?
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NYR
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (BUF)
Détails additionnels:
1st overall pick in 2021
BUF
  1. Kravtsov, Vitali
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (NYR)
Détails additionnels:
20th overall in 2021
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NYR
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (ANA)
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2nd overall pick in 2021
ANA
    SAME PACKAGE: Kravtsov plus New York Rangers 1st pick in 2021 (20th overall)
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    NYR
    1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (SEA)
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    3rd overall pick in 2021
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      SAME PACKAGE: Kravtsov plus New York Rangers 1st pick in 2021 (20th overall)
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      1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (NJD)
      Détails additionnels:
      4th overall pick in 2021
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        SAME PACKAGE: Kravtsov plus New York Rangers 1st pick in 2021 (20th overall)
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        1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (VAN)
        Détails additionnels:
        5th overall pick in 2021
        VAN
          SAME PACKAGE: Kravtsov plus New York Rangers 1st pick in 2021 (20th overall)
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          3 mai 2021 à 9 h 59
          #26
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          Quoting: NYRFan92360244
          You may not follow prospects closely (maybe you do). But Kravtsov is about as highly rated as they get. So I think the value is there. And many Ranger fans see Kravtsov as eventually passing Kakko on our depth chart.
          Sabre fan here.
          If the Sabres pick fell to 4th OA, and the Rangers were where they are now, I would do that trade.
          If it stayed first OA, and the NYR dropped to 20th OA, they would need to add IMO.
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          3 mai 2021 à 9 h 59
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          Quoting: HOCKEYBOY448
          Hajek doesn’t move the needle though.


          Then who? which d-man fills in this equation:

          4th overall pick = 20th overall pick + Kravtsov + _____

          Fox, Miller, Lindgren not for us
          Hajek, Skinner, Rykov not for them
          So...Tarmo? Schneider? Robertson?
          3 mai 2021 à 10 h 3
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          Quoting: NYRFan92360244
          Fox and Laf stay in New York, but I'd be open to Kakko for their 1st overall pick.


          Well, kakko and a first, for the first overall would get you a discussion. I doubt it happens. But this business of rangers fans thinking that every dang prospect they have is the 7th wonder of the world, and that you throw them in with a first round pick, teams would give them anything, needs to stop.
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          3 mai 2021 à 10 h 4
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          Quoting: gretzkyghosts
          Sabre fan here.
          If the Sabres pick fell to 4th OA, and the Rangers were where they are now, I would do that trade.
          If it stayed first OA, and the NYR dropped to 20th OA, they would need to add IMO.


          A very sane response, I think. Sabres are unlikely to drop out of top-3 though. And Rangers do it if Beniers is still available.
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          3 mai 2021 à 10 h 4
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          Quoting: NYRFan92360244
          Then who? which d-man fills in this equation:

          4th overall pick = 20th overall pick + Kravtsov + _____

          Fox, Miller, Lindgren not for us
          Hajek, Skinner, Rykov not for them
          So...Tarmo? Schneider? Robertson?

          A first overall pick hasn’t been traded in a looooong time. To get it done, it isn’t really a question of piling up assets. It’s a question of what the centerpiece of the trade is. There needs to be something of massive value there. Chance the centerpiece.
          3 mai 2021 à 10 h 6
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          Quoting: CMcAvoy73
          Well, kakko and a first, for the first overall would get you a discussion. I doubt it happens. But this business of rangers fans thinking that every dang prospect they have is the 7th wonder of the world, and that you throw them in with a first round pick, teams would give them anything, needs to stop.


          It stops when Gorton stops drafting insanely good prospects. Rangers have #1 pipeline in entire NHL.
          3 mai 2021 à 10 h 18
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          Quoting: NYRFan92360244
          He lit KHL on fire this year and is generally seen as the best RW prospect in the game. But ok.

          24 points in 49 games where vast majority of the points came in the beginning of the season then he went cold isn’t exactly “lit the KHL on fire.”

          When was the last time a top 5 pick (knowingly) was traded? I get your bullish on Kravtsov but no one is trading their pick for Kravtsov + 20th OVR.
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          3 mai 2021 à 10 h 29
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          Quoting: BStinson
          24 points in 49 games where vast majority of the points came in the beginning of the season then he went cold isn’t exactly “lit the KHL on fire.”

          When was the last time a top 5 pick (knowingly) was traded? I get your bullish on Kravtsov but no one is trading their pick for Kravtsov + 20th OVR.


          Over past 25 years...20 top-5 picks have been traded.

          2020: 3rd
          2019: 4th
          2010: 2nd
          2008: 5th
          2004: 4th
          2003: 1st, 3rd
          2002: 1st, 3rd, 4th
          2001: 2nd
          2000: 5th
          1999: 1st, 2nd, 4th
          1998: 1st, 2nd, 3rd
          1997: 4th
          1996: 4th
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          3 mai 2021 à 10 h 31
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          Quoting: NYRFan92360244
          It stops when Gorton stops drafting insanely good prospects. Rangers have #1 pipeline in entire NHL.


          That's quite the hot take. If you exclude players actually in the NHL this is definitely not correct. Including players like Lafreniere, Kakko, Miller etc. From what I see im considerably less bullish on their prospect pipeline, and for me theyre definitely behind LA.
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          3 mai 2021 à 10 h 33
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          Quoting: NYRFan92360244
          Over past 25 years...20 top-5 picks have been traded.

          2020: 3rd
          2019: 4th
          2010: 2nd
          2008: 5th
          2004: 4th
          2003: 1st, 3rd
          2002: 1st, 3rd, 4th
          2001: 2nd
          2000: 5th
          1999: 1st, 2nd, 4th
          1998: 1st, 2nd, 3rd
          1997: 4th
          1996: 4th


          So the last pick traded at the draft, when the team knew which position it was in was 2004. That's pre salary cap and I would not count that as recent.
          I admire your optimism, but dont think itll happen man, sorry.
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          3 mai 2021 à 10 h 34
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          Quoting: Seider53
          So the last pick traded at the draft, when the team knew which position it was in was 2004. That's pre salary cap and I would not count that as recent.
          I admire your optimism, but dont think itll happen man, sorry.


          Never say never!
          3 mai 2021 à 10 h 43
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          Quoting: NYRFan92360244
          I don't hate your team. Why should Rangers fans even worry about Devils? Our window is now and yours, if it ever arrives, would be 3-5 years down the road.


          Nice! See we are back where we need to be!
          This from a fan of a team who had Gretzky and Messier and missed the POs for... cks notes, 7 years!
          Yeah you're right it is now, Zib, Bread growing mold on them! Trouba, great contract! Fitz ain't helping you guys out, but its nice to see we can dream
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          3 mai 2021 à 10 h 47
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          Quoting: HOCKEYBOY448
          If Berniers was available I’d do it. We’d still have Schneider and Robertson in the pipeline. But there’s no way Berniers is available at 5. I think he goes 3rd latest.



          That makes sense.



          That seems kind of immature. Only a child hates another team for no reason cause your a rival. Just cause the Rangers and Devils or Isles are rivals doesn’t mean I hate the other team. Seems sort of ridiculous.


          you do you
          3 mai 2021 à 10 h 51
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          Quoting: NYRFan92360244
          Over past 25 years...20 top-5 picks have been traded.

          2020: 3rd
          2019: 4th
          2010: 2nd
          2008: 5th
          2004: 4th
          2003: 1st, 3rd
          2002: 1st, 3rd, 4th
          2001: 2nd
          2000: 5th
          1999: 1st, 2nd, 4th
          1998: 1st, 2nd, 3rd
          1997: 4th
          1996: 4th

          Key word I put in there is “knowingly” and @Seider53 provided the correct answer. Interesting that not a single one has been traded in the Salary Cap era.
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          3 mai 2021 à 11 h 10
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          Quoting: NYRFan92360244
          A very sane response, I think. Sabres are unlikely to drop out of top-3 though. And Rangers do it if Beniers is still available.
          Let me add, even if the player available to the Sabres appears to have a higher upside than Kravtsov, I think it is still as good deal for the Sabres as he Kravtsov will be in the NHL next year.
          The Sabres could use a top 6 RW and as you pointed out, Kravtsov is a good prospect who led Chelyabinsk Traktor with 16 goals.
          The top three prospects in the 2021 draft are Beniers C/LW, and 2 LHD Power & Edvinsson.
          Some Sabre fans may counter that Kevyn Adams drafted Jack Quinn, but https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/ ranks him at 26 and Kravtsov at 47.
          IMO it does not hurt to have two top 50 RW prospects in the pipe line who could be in the NHL next year or the following .
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          3 mai 2021 à 11 h 54
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          We need Beniers, Power or Clarke more than you do, so we shouldn't be trading the second overall pick for Kravtsov and the 15th overall (which is what you'll have as soon as Boston gets one more point).
          3 mai 2021 à 12 h 30
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          Quoting: Seider53
          I'm not necesserily the best versed on the rangers prospect pool, but his D+2 season in the AHL did not look good in the slightest, and in his 3 games in the NHL in his D+3 year he has 3 points.
          You may argue that he is playing down the depth chart, which has some validity, but then if he is that talented, why is he not forcing himself up the depth chart?


          Same reason Laf and Kakko have been on the 3rd line for most of the year, Quinn.
          3 mai 2021 à 18 h 36
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          The fact you value 1-5 the same is ridiculous
          5 mai 2021 à 10 h 59
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          Quoting: NYRFan92360244
          Look at the Devils defense. I'd think they would need him. Maybe Rykov or Skinner instead.


          You do realize NJ will be using their pick to select an elite defensive prospect right? No need for a inconsistent prospect and some guy with top 4 celling
           
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