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Would Marc Bergevin save his job if this happened

Créé par: sensonfire
Date de création initiale: 26 févr. 2021
Publié: 26 févr. 2021
Équipe: 2020-21 Canadiens de Montréal
Explications
I've already heard from the Sabres fanbase.

Now, I'd like to hear from the Habs fanbase about what they think of this trade.

But, if the Sabres' fanbase want to come on here and complain about this post ...

Then, oh well! What can you do? :)

With this trade, do the Habs stop themselves from going into free fall?

Does Marc Bergevin save his job if this trade happened?

Let me know in the comments below :D

P.S.

If both fanbases are complaining about this trade (the Sabres fanbase has already), then it's probably fair :D
Transactions
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MTL
  1. Eichel, Jack (500 000 $ retained)
BUF
  1. Weber, Shea
  2. Suzuki, Nick
  3. Guhle, Kaiden
  4. 2021 2e round pick (TBL)
Rachats de contrats
  • Karl Alzner: 3 958 333 $
Enfoui
  • Jordan Weal: 325 000 $ (1 400 000 $)
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2081 500 000 $81 245 833 $0 $2 712 500 $254 167 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
MTL
Tatar, Tomas
4 800 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
BUF
Eichel, Jack
9 500 000 $
C
UFA - 6
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
3 750 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 1
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
5 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
MTL
Danault, Phillip
3 083 333 $
C
UFA - 1
MTL
Anderson, Josh
5 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 7
MTL
Toffoli, Tyler
4 250 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 4
MTL
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
MTL
Perry, Corey
750 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
2 400 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
MTL
Evans, Jake
750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
MTL
Armia, Joel
2 600 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Edmundson, Joel
3 500 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 4
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Petry, Jeff
5 500 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
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Price, Carey
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NMC
UFA - 6
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Chiarot, Ben
3 500 000 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Romanov, Alexander
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 2
MTL
Allen, Jake
4 350 000 $
G
UFA - 1
MTL
Kulak, Brett
1 850 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
MTL
Mete, Victor
735 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
Équipe de réserve
MTL
Byron, Paul
3 400 000 $ (2 325 000 $)
AG, AD, C
UFA - 3
MTL
Fleury, Cale
771 666 $ (0 $)
DD
RFA - 1
MTL
Frolík, Michael
750 000 $ (0 $)
AG, AD
UFA - 1
MTL
Belzile, Alex
700 000 $ (0 $)
AD, C
UFA - 1
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McNiven, Michael
700 000 $ (0 $)
G
RFA - 1

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26 févr. 2021 à 15 h 27
#1
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If Eichel gets traded which it’s pretty slim right now, it will most likely be out west. Especially not to a inner division team he dominates every Atlantic team.
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26 févr. 2021 à 15 h 28
#2
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Suzuki is a good start to this. I just do not see Weber who is 35 is a need for Buffalo. Guhle is good but again Buffalo has lots of D prospects. For Buffalo to even consider it would have to be Suzuki, Drouin/Toffoli, Caufield, and probably 2 first round picks.
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26 févr. 2021 à 15 h 30
#3
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If he wants to save his job. Figure out how to get price right. It’s that simple
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26 févr. 2021 à 15 h 30
#4
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no cause they will lose against the leafs lol
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26 févr. 2021 à 15 h 34
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Quoting: Mwasylko34
Suzuki is a good start to this. I just do not see Weber who is 35 is a need for Buffalo. Guhle is good but again Buffalo has lots of D prospects. For Buffalo to even consider it would have to be Suzuki, Drouin/Toffoli, Caufield, and probably 2 first round picks.


There are 2 pieces too many there. Suzuki, Caufield and 1 first rounder. But then there would be cap implications, so...really what's the point?
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26 févr. 2021 à 15 h 38
#6
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Not happening
Nothing Bergevin can do
Weber contract isn’t bad because he’ll make 1M in salary the last 3 years and 3M the year before. So he could retired or MTL could trade him to a poor team who needs to reach the cap floor
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26 févr. 2021 à 15 h 44
#7
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Quoting: Sabres923
If Eichel gets traded which it’s pretty slim right now, it will most likely be out west. Especially not to a inner division team he dominates every Atlantic team.


from what I heard if Eichel gets moved the kings have the best package for him and makes sense as they have a very good prospect pool and can move a 1st or two.
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26 févr. 2021 à 15 h 48
#8
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Quoting: aadoyle
from what I heard if Eichel gets moved the kings have the best package for him and makes sense as they have a very good prospect pool and can move a 1st or two.

Yeah LA and Vegas has enough. I think the Kings should do their rebuild properly and not rush things though.
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26 févr. 2021 à 15 h 52
#9
Shibbal18
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The Sabres would still say no
26 févr. 2021 à 15 h 55
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Quoting: Sabres923
If Eichel gets traded which it’s pretty slim right now, it will most likely be out west. Especially not to a inner division team he dominates every Atlantic team.


I feel
Your right and I’m terrified of who is in the best possible shape to pull this trade off!!!!
LA Kings for two top prospects a first and a 2 seconds sounds about right and they have the cap space to pull this off
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26 févr. 2021 à 16 h 1
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Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street
There are 2 pieces too many there. Suzuki, Caufield and 1 first rounder. But then there would be cap implications, so...really what's the point?


Youre getting a top 10 center in the league. Buf would want a center back (Suzuki), a solid roster player (Drouin, Toffoli), a prospect, and picks. We arent talking about an average center. Eichel will cost more than Suzuki, Caufield and a first
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26 févr. 2021 à 16 h 3
#12
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Quoting: Shibbal18
The Sabres would still say no


The issue at hand here is not whether the Sabres say no, but whether the Habs say yes.

I already got a resounding no from my previous post wink
26 févr. 2021 à 16 h 18
#13
but you’re close.
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The question isn’t would Bergevin’s job be saved.
It’s should Bergevin’s job be saved?
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26 févr. 2021 à 16 h 33
#14
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weber is a cap dump...
26 févr. 2021 à 16 h 45
#15
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sensonfire
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Quoting: Zmach
weber is a cap dump...


Although he's aging, he's still a top defenceman in the nhl.

At least it's not Hall for Larsson.
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26 févr. 2021 à 19 h 11
#16
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Suzuki + Caufield/Romanov + 1st - as a base
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26 févr. 2021 à 19 h 28
#17
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Quoting: Mwasylko34
Suzuki is a good start to this. I just do not see Weber who is 35 is a need for Buffalo. Guhle is good but again Buffalo has lots of D prospects. For Buffalo to even consider it would have to be Suzuki, Drouin/Toffoli, Caufield, and probably 2 first round picks.


Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street
There are 2 pieces too many there. Suzuki, Caufield and 1 first rounder. But then there would be cap implications, so...really what's the point?


Due to Montreal's cap situation, Weber would be a virtually mandatory inclusion in a trade for Eichel and his $10 million cap hit.
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26 févr. 2021 à 19 h 30
#18
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
I feel Your right and I’m terrified of who is in the best possible shape to pull this trade off!!!!
LA Kings for two top prospects a first and a 2 seconds sounds about right and they have the cap space to pull this off


Especially when the first top prospect would be one of Byfield, Turcotte or Vilardi.
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26 févr. 2021 à 19 h 32
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Due to Montreal's cap situation, Weber would be a virtually mandatory inclusion in a trade for Eichel and his $10 million cap hit.


Not necessary. Byron + Tatar + Kulak = 10+ M and there is almost no value for Sabres.
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26 févr. 2021 à 22 h 27
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Especially when the first top prospect would be one of Byfield, Turcotte or Vilardi.


My only hope is the package given up is way better then Eichel and they are less potent of a team than they could have been
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26 févr. 2021 à 23 h 5
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Quoting: SalamiCheese
Not necessary. Byron + Tatar + Kulak = 10+ M and there is almost no value for Sabres.


Yes, that's my point, any trade with Montreal that Buffalo would accept would have to include Weber.
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26 févr. 2021 à 23 h 8
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Yes, that's my point, any trade with Montreal that Buffalo would accept would have to include Weber.


I do not agree, there are options. Byron (cap dump) + Chiarot + Armia - it works and Buffalo doesn't need Weber, although I don't really understand the value.

Suzuki + Caufield or Romanov + 1st - it's like the base always
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26 févr. 2021 à 23 h 14
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Quoting: SalamiCheese
I do not agree, there are options. Byron (cap dump) + Chiarot + Armia - it works and Buffalo doesn't need Weber, although I don't really understand the value.

Suzuki + Caufield or Romanov + 1st - it's like the base always


But my point is that Buffalo wouldn't make any trades for Byron or Chiarot or Armia or Tatar or Kulak. Therefore, any trade that Buffalo WOULD accept for Eichel would have to include Weber if it occurred at all, otherwise Montreal couldn't stay under the cap.

Yes, the base is Suzuki plus Caufield or Romanov plus a first-round draft pick, but Montreal still has to move at least $8 million in cap back to Buffalo, and the only player that can do that whom Buffalo would even consider accepting is Weber. If Buffalo is unwilling to take Weber, then it is impossible to construct any other trade with Montreal which Buffalo would accept.
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26 févr. 2021 à 23 h 18
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
But my point is that Buffalo wouldn't make any trades for Byron or Chiarot or Armia or Tatar or Kulak. Therefore, any trade that Buffalo WOULD accept for Eichel would have to include Weber if it occurred at all, otherwise Montreal couldn't stay under the cap.

Yes, the base is Suzuki plus Caufield or Romanov plus a first-round draft pick, but Montreal still has to move at least $8 million in cap back to Buffalo, and the only player that can do that whom Buffalo would even consider accepting is Weber. If Buffalo is unwilling to take Weber, then it is impossible to construct any other trade with Montreal which Buffalo would accept.


But why? I offered two trading options in order to return 10 million to Buffalo and so that Montreal would not trade Weber.

Byron + Chiarot + Armia or Byron + Tatar + Kulak

For Sabres will not matter which cap will be returned if there are already Suzuki + Cauifeld/Romanov + 1st
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