What'd you guys think of my hindsight offseason plan? Is team strong enough to win the cup?

Leafs don’t have space for Murray + Andersen - they’d probably want a really quality piece instead of murray and I think pettersson is a LD which Toronto is full on the left side correct?

Toronto was interested in moving Andersen to Calgary at the beginning of the offseason so I based the move on that. Pettersson played the left side in Pittsburgh but I believe he also has the ability to play the right.

Lol leafs fans are gonna roast this marner trade

ah yes, it's been a while since one of your patented terrible Marner to the pens trades that the leafs would never consider in a million years even without the weird ass random retention number

IMO Leaf fans overrate Marner when it comes to trading him (which is ironic cuz most of them hate him lol). I think this return substantial enough.

I was originally gonna make it Tanev + Pettersson + 1st but since I added a top goalie in Murray & a top prospect, I decided Toronto needs to retain to make Marner’s salary fair.

-forget the toronto thing...

now to the actual issues:
-I wonder if PIT was on Staal's no trade list?????
-it stinks that Devon Toews went for 2 2nds and Schmidt went for a 3rd. if PIT didn't have a good and set top-4 we could have got one of them...but we're paying matheson so much for a 3rd pairing role anyway so IDK...
-Simon is fine but I'm OK moving on. We didn't win cups with Simon types on Sid's wings. Jake, and to an extent Hornqvist were better fits. Sheary was good in 2016 but didn't do much in 2017. Kapanen should be a better fit.
-IDK why we traded Bjugstad with 50% retention instead of a buyout???? it makes no sense fiscally. we would have saved more $$$ and so would have MIN who could have signed him for prob under $1M.
-MIN would NOT take Hornqvist. they have enough big $$$ contracts to worry about.

the leafs wouldnt accept either of those trades without the retention. For the leafs to retain any salary on Marner the pens would have to give them such a deal that your brain would explode trying to comprehend it.

Thanks for the feedback. I don’t think PIT would be on Staal’s no trade list. He is still an excellent player & probably wants a chance to win another cup. I resigned Simon cuz he’s cheap & with his ability to generate possession, he’d make a good fit as a bottom 6 player. Neither him or Sheary would play with Sid on my team.

I’m skeptical about Kapanen being a good fit w/Sid. According to Leaf fans, he’s not good at anticipating the play & cycling the puck, Both crucial attributes to succeed w/Sid. Although his analytics from playing alongside Matthews are excellent.

Legare is a top penguins prospect, sure, but he isnt a "top prospect" by league standards

I’d do it as a Leaf fan. Pettersson can slot in as an upgrade over Holl on the right side & Murray is a proven playoff goalie. Amirov and Legare are both great prospects. It’s a Kings ransom.

leafs fans lol

they either love or hate someone.
kap fits into the hate category.
their good players get wayyyyy to much hype and perfectly fine middle 6 players like Kapanen get blasted for not scoring a ton "like the stars"

Kapanen has speed and tenacity. hopefully he can help create offense beside Sid. on paper definitely a good fit but we have to see it to know for sure.

Yes Legare wouldn’t be ready for another 2 seasons but he'll develop into a Hornqvist type player which Toronto needs.

if you want to guess what Marner's value would be, go look at what Mark stone got. That would be the bare minimum, and only if the leafs really really really wanted to move Marner. if they didnt, that would be a good start

Is this a go back in time thread?

Matt Murray was still an RFA with arbitration rights when he was acquired, so there’s no way to know what his cap hit is, but it might be enough for TML to walk away from, maybe. Might not be the right goalie to target.

BTW, I got a chuckle out of your cap limit, next time just retain a little bit more to make it fit.

I feel Kapanen should become a 60-70 point pace player with solid analytics with Sid. He has a good shot, is fast & can forecheck & hit. However, I would’ve still preferred to trade for Marner because he has that shiftiness & creativity which makes him similar in a way to Sheary. These types of players have proven to be the type that Sid prefers to play with.

But my point is Toronto is receiving a bunch of Meh parts for Marner. They dont get someone of equal caliber back. You either need to get a great young defenseman or a great young forward back. If youre only getting a projected middle 6 forward, a 2nd pairing defenseman, and a 15th OA pick that probably isnt going to amount to anywhere near Marner level (Toronto doesnt need Murray because theyre cutting enough cap to hold onto Freddie). Its just not enough for a guy who would probably consistently put up 90 points next to Crosby or Malkin

Matt Murray is a former SOO Greyhound player. I feel he would be at the top of Dubas’ list.

At the time I first made this thread, Toronto was looking to trade Andersen to Calgary so I sent Murray to Toronto. I feel Toronto addressing the long term goaltending situation & getting a solid top 4 defence is more important than giving 12 Million a year to Marner.

I wouldn't go that far but I think if he could be a 20-20 guy I would totally take that.

Staal would be an amazing 3C

Then I guess you’ll never be able to trade Marner if that’s what you’re asking for.

cool, I wont

Legare had 87 points in 68 games and 71 points in 61 games so far in the Q. He’s 6’0, 205 pounds, is the captain of his team. Was the best young player in camp last year, scored 3 goals in 2 pre-season games. He’s close to NHL ready and proved it last year during camp
And preseason games. If he doesn’t win a roster spot this year, or join the team at sometime during the season, he will next year. He’s close to contributing on a NHL level.