Idk about you, but im not expecting Willy, Matthews, Marner, Rielly and Tavares ALONE to deliver a stanley cup. There needs to be a balance of toughness, want, depth and skill to have a championship team. Look at Tampa as an example. Point, Stamkos, Hedman and Kurcherov are your "skillfull" guys.. your superstars. Your added depth is Cirelli, Palat, Gourde and Sergachev, these guys are the support to your foundation (your core players). Then we see those players who are full of want and desire.. those who are not afraid to get there nose dirty and crash bodies. These players are what HELPS your core players do what they do best. Coleman, Goodrow, Bogosian, McDounagh, Maroon, Paquette and Cernack... these guys want to run you over on the ice...

Now, name me at least 5 players on the leaf's that play with the same amount of passion and determination like the players I just listed.. (Coleman, Goodrow etc..)(They dont have to be identical playing styles, but similar qualities)

Idk about you, but im not expecting Willy, Matthews, Marner, Rielly and Tavares ALONE to deliver a stanley cup. There needs to be a balance of toughness, want, depth and skill to have a championship team. Look at Tampa as an example. Point, Stamkos, Hedman and Kurcherov are your "skillfull" guys.. your superstars. Your added depth is Cirelli, Palat, Gourde and Sergachev, these guys are the support to your foundation (your core players). Then we see those players who are full of want and desire.. those who are not afraid to get there nose dirty and crash bodies. These players are what HELPS your core players do what they do best. Coleman, Goodrow, Bogosian, McDounagh, Maroon, Paquette and Cernack... these guys want to run you over on the ice...

Now, name me at least 5 players on the leaf's that play with the same amount of passion and determination like the players I just listed.. (Coleman, Goodrow etc..)(They dont have to be identical playing styles, but similar qualities)

Yes, because it's a bull**** stat that is literally never counted realistically and the leafs could easily do that with a trigger happy stat counter

Ah yes, passion and determination. Something you can totly glean from watching the games
Ok for fun, hyman, muzzin, tavares, mikheyev and kerfoot do.

Except he does produce in the playoffs

Hits remove the opposing player from the puck and it’s an effective way to stop the other teams transition into the offensive zone. It’s one of the only real ways to stop the cycle down low. It’s the reason most teams can effectively and freely cycle the puck in the leafs end. Forechecking effectively involves hitting too.

This past season was his only productive playoff year, everything after that has been nothing of what hes been expected to do

Mikheyev is soft and Kerfoot has the potential, still waiting to see more from him.

Ah yes, passion and determination. Something you can totly glean from watching the games
Ok for fun, hyman, muzzin, tavares, mikheyev and kerfoot do.

The Leafs only have three in Bogosian, Hyman, and Muzzin.

Tavares is not this, a 90 point capable player only putting 60 is bad. He came home and is living his fantasy. Hyman, yes absolutley. Muzzin, yes.. when we wants to be. He got two cups already so he should be leading by example and show what it takes to win games in the playoffs. Mikheyev, yes, but for now,. Hes gonna be playing for a bigger contract with the deal he got. Once he gets his pay, you can forget about him producing. Kerfoot is a no. He's quiet and is just good with his stick and can kill penalties. Dont expect him to be around long.

Yes. Not enough, would you agree?

Nope, both play with passion and determination

I love how Bogosian suddenly plays the 'right way' despite being called crap and a bust and useless for most of his career because he was suddenly on a winning team

Well its obvious that you dont know anything about hockey my friend. You aint winning games with a team full of panzies who gets Mr. Freezies from their mommies after every game they win

He has done more than what Nylander has ever done in the playoffs. He won the cup.

If you click on Jaredoflondon name, you can use the ignore button option. Easy solution, rather than try to use logic or common sense on him.

He had literally never played a playoff game until he was suddenly on the best team in the league as their 8th most used defender. But sure he did it all eh?

A cup is a cup. He accumulated more playoff experience than any player on the Leafs.

Oh please, you know whats obvious? People who have no understanding of what their watching to rhe point where they need to have the game explained ro them by a pannel of failed gms and former goons at intermission and then spread that nonsense like its gospel because they lack critical thinking skills tellong people that no, it is YOU who is wrong because the tv man said otherwise

Ah yes being along for the ride is totaly the same thing as being an actual part of the reason.
Also jake muzzin is right there dude, youre just being lazy now