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Dubas can fix this mess if he puts aside his ego

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Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
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Give me your thoughts... who says yes or no... signings, trades etc...
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4 oct. 2020 à 9 h 47
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Leafs say no to all of them. That Minnesota deal is terrible for us... Like very terrible

Edit the one I'm most likely to take is the kerfoot deal
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4 oct. 2020 à 9 h 49
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what language is it where ego translates to "ability to judge the value of his own players" because these are all awful for the leafs
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Leafs say no to all of them. That Minnesota deal is terrible for us... Like very terrible


Why is it terrible? I can not handle another year of Nylander floating and out for a public skate.., points aside he is terrible.,, Hoffman fill in for him easy.
4 oct. 2020 à 9 h 50
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Giving up waaaaaaaayyyyyy too much on the Minny trade.
4 oct. 2020 à 9 h 53
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Why is it terrible? I can not handle another year of Nylander floating and out for a public skate.., points aside he is terrible.,, Hoffman fill in for him easy.


and there it is.
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Why is it terrible? I can not handle another year of Nylander floating and out for a public skate.., points aside he is terrible.,, Hoffman fill in for him easy.


Out for a skate? You do realize he was actually one of the most aggressive for net front goals this year in the league right? I wouldn't do that deal for Nylander alone. Mainly due to the lack of term on Dumba and then we give them our best prospect and mikeyev who is going to be a big part of the team next year and a second. It's extremely terrible asset management.
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Giving up waaaaaaaayyyyyy too much on the Minny trade.

Maybe yes but in the flat cap era you pay a premium for cap space... just look at the Marleau deal last year.. even the Jake Allen deal to the habs... and the rangers Staal deal. Unfortunately it’s the only way. Is the roster better like this or last years?
4 oct. 2020 à 9 h 57
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Since when does "ego" equate to being satisfied with horrible trades?
4 oct. 2020 à 9 h 58
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Maybe yes but in the flat cap era you pay a premium for cap space... just look at the Marleau deal last year.. even the Jake Allen deal to the habs... and the rangers Staal deal. Unfortunately it’s the only way. Is the roster better like this or last years?


Sorry but the last two you mentioned did not pay a premium for cap space..... At all. Montreal wanted Allen because they knew this upcoming season will be compressed and buffalo wanted to shed a little cap and get a good vet but neither team "paid a premium"
4 oct. 2020 à 10 h 0
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Maybe yes but in the flat cap era you pay a premium for cap space... just look at the Marleau deal last year.. even the Jake Allen deal to the habs... and the rangers Staal deal. Unfortunately it’s the only way. Is the roster better like this or last years?


The bottom six you have looks like a mess to me. The only thing better is right d but the deal it took to do that dramatically affected our offensive ability and our future
4 oct. 2020 à 10 h 0
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Why is it terrible? I can not handle another year of Nylander floating and out for a public skate.., points aside he is terrible.,, Hoffman fill in for him easy.


All trades...and the Hoffman signing are poor for the Leafs...I know that is subjective. But to pay three players Dumba, Tanev and Hoffman at 15m seems a waste when four players Nylander, Mikheyvov, Sandin and Kerfoot at 13.5m are traded.
Then having 21man roster which 1.1m over the cap limit.....,a very good reason to not to push submit button.
4 oct. 2020 à 10 h 2
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Sorry but the last two you mentioned did not pay a premium for cap space..... At all. Montreal wanted Allen because they knew this upcoming season will be compressed and buffalo wanted to shed a little cap and get a good vet but neither team "paid a premium"

The rangers giving up Staal and a second for “futures” is paying a premium to recoup cap. And yes your right on the Allen deal after I looked at it again.
4 oct. 2020 à 10 h 4
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Minnesota just robbed you in broad day light
4 oct. 2020 à 10 h 4
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The rangers giving up Staal and a second for “futures” is paying a premium to recoup cap. And yes your right on the Allen deal after I looked at it again.



Sorry I thought you were talking about Eric Staal deal, but until we know what the futures are in that deal we can't really judge it.
4 oct. 2020 à 10 h 5
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As a wild fan, I couldn’t do that to you. Any Dumba Nylander deal would be Dumba plus. Oof da.
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This is the worst one yet.

Ottawa needs Gaborik's cap to reach the floor, trading it hurts them

Johnsson contract is too much, for too little production, and is structured horribly with too much in signing bonus, balloon payents

Ottawa doesn't need Andreas Johnsson, so this makes no sense on all levels
4 oct. 2020 à 10 h 7
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Sorry I thought you were talking about Eric Staal deal, but until we know what the futures are in that deal we can't really judge it.

No worries.... futures is never anything important. Mid prospect or late pick if that...
4 oct. 2020 à 10 h 11
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This is the worst one yet.

Ottawa needs Gaborik's cap to reach the floor, trading it hurts them

Johnsson contract is too much, for too little production, and is structured horribly with too much in signing bonus, balloon payents

Ottawa doesn't need Andreas Johnsson, so this makes no sense on all levels


Ottawa will be bringing in 1 year deal guys this year from other teams with picks to get them to the floor. There is lots of teams out there with guys on big expiring contracts. Look for similar deals like the Marleau trade last year. Maybe not a first but some 2nd/3rd rounders. At least that would be the smart thing to do. They’re rebuild is off to a great start especially after this years draft
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Maybe yes but in the flat cap era you pay a premium for cap space... just look at the Marleau deal last year.. even the Jake Allen deal to the habs... and the rangers Staal deal. Unfortunately it’s the only way. Is the roster better like this or last years?


yeah, people gotta stop with that Marleau "cap space is super valuable" stuff because it was only expensive because Dubas' hands were literally tied by Marleau's full NMC and he would only waive for one team that knew he would waive for them so they werent going to give up assets for him and didnt want to pay him 6 million dollars so the leafs not only needed to pay a too big contract tax, they also had to pay the "will buy this player out and pay him for 2 years instead of 1" tax
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Out for a skate? You do realize he was actually one of the most aggressive for net front goals this year in the league right? I wouldn't do that deal for Nylander alone. Mainly due to the lack of term on Dumba and then we give them our best prospect and mikeyev who is going to be a big part of the team next year and a second. It's extremely terrible asset management.

Can you add the link here that says Nylander was one of the most aggressive net front presence goal scorers here?
Either way I just go back to his playoff performance. Game 5 last year at the 11 minute mark in the third period is enough to prove my point that he’s a floater. Or should we just look at the last 2 bruins series?
4 oct. 2020 à 10 h 23
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Ottawa will be bringing in 1 year deal guys this year from other teams with picks to get them to the floor. There is lots of teams out there with guys on big expiring contracts. Look for similar deals like the Marleau trade last year. Maybe not a first but some 2nd/3rd rounders. At least that would be the smart thing to do. They’re rebuild is off to a great start especially after this years draft


Ottawa isn't paying Gaborik's salary, insurance is. All they get is the cap, which they need to reach the cap floor. It's free cap. If they trade it, they need to acquire more cap, and if it isn't insured, they need to pay salary for that newly acquired cap. This cap is free.

Johnsson's contract has high signing bonuses, and those need to be paid in balloon payments, which is fine for a money rich team like Toronto with great media revenue and a huge fan base buying merchandise, but Ottawa doesn't have the media cash, or revenue and those signing bonuses need to be paid out of pocket by the owner each spring. People will say, it's just X amount of money, but it's millions of dollars, millions. It's easier to pay the salaries in smaller portion throughout the season, while generating ticket revenue. Also, there's no room for Johnsson, He's going to be 26 before the season starts, and doesn't fit into the team's long term plan.
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yeah, people gotta stop with that Marleau "cap space is super valuable" stuff because it was only expensive because Dubas' hands were literally tied by Marleau's full NMC and he would only waive for one team that knew he would waive for them so they werent going to give up assets for him and didnt want to pay him 6 million dollars so the leafs not only needed to pay a too big contract tax, they also had to pay the "will buy this player out and pay him for 2 years instead of 1" tax

Your right the NMC made it more difficult but there has been other deals like this and the “experts” (I put this in quotes only because they are paid to be on tv to talk about this) have said similar things since the announcement of the flat cap.
4 oct. 2020 à 10 h 26
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Can you add the link here that says Nylander was one of the most aggressive net front presence goal scorers here?
Either way I just go back to his playoff performance. Game 5 last year at the 11 minute mark in the third period is enough to prove my point that he’s a floater. Or should we just look at the last 2 bruins series?


https://www.google.com/amp/s/editorinleaf.com/2020/01/16/toronto-maple-leafs-nylander-myths/amp/

Not the greatest source but scroll down to the tweet from Mike Kelly and you will see
4 oct. 2020 à 10 h 26
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Your right the NMC made it more difficult but there has been other deals like this and the “experts” (I put this in quotes only because they are paid to be on tv to talk about this) have said similar things since the announcement of the flat cap.


except those guys are wrong more than they are right and making trades based off anything they spout to fill air time is most likely terrible value. Especially when it comes to nylander who most of them would trade for Gudas' rights
4 oct. 2020 à 10 h 29
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Ottawa isn't paying Gaborik's salary, insurance is. All they get is the cap, which they need to reach the cap floor. It's free cap. If they trade it, they need to acquire more cap, and if it isn't insured, they need to pay salary for that newly acquired cap. This cap is free.

Johnsson's contract has high signing bonuses, and those need to be paid in balloon payments, which is fine for a money rich team like Toronto with great media revenue and a huge fan base buying merchandise, but Ottawa doesn't have the media cash, or revenue and those signing bonuses need to be paid out of pocket by the owner each spring. People will say, it's just X amount of money, but it's millions of dollars, millions. It's easier to pay the salaries in smaller portion throughout the season, while generating ticket revenue. Also, there's no room for Johnsson, He's going to be 26 before the season starts, and doesn't fit into the team's long term plan.

26 years old and the season before his injury he put up 42 points
Next 3 years payable salary including bonus. (Cap hit 3.4)
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On a rebuilding team how would that not fit?
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