Hmmm. Hard to say. Gives us really nothing we need, other than cap space. I think value is there though.

Agreed, if they have a UFA target they know they get this would be a trade to look at

I don't think the Leafs go down that road. Certainly better options with both of those players. Is Mantha going to re-sign in DET?

Yeah we dont have anything you need besides that.

Yeah word is he just bought a big house in Michigan so everyone is taking it as a sign

I dont think so. Glendenning just doesn't bring very much. If they were going to move those guys might as well just do it for picks.

No I know glenny doesnt bring much I thought he might be preferable to a getting a cheap ufa to fill out the bottom of the line up.

Dermott is the best player in the trade followed by Kerfoot.

Wings decline way overpay for garbage. No chance wings do this

not remotly interested from toronto's side. they dont need a 4th line C for a 3rd line C and the pick for Dermott isnt enough to compensate

How do they view dermontt? Let him stay on the third pair and kill penalties as long as he doesn't cost much?

I love Dermott. I think, on a smaller scale, he's a Gardiner Muzzin combo. I see him playing his way into the top 4 as early as next year, depending on who we add in the offseason of course. He plays hard, hits, really tries in all ends. Battles well, most importantly in front of the net. Top notch skater, good puck mover, fine in the O zone. He was slowed up a bit by injury this year, but stepped up in a big way every time he was called to play in top4, including in playoffs. Like Gardiner, though, his flaw is that he's not the best decision-maker. But I think if he plays with and closely shadows Muzzin next year, and as he gains experience, that'll become less of an issue.

For these reasons, I would be reluctant to do this deal. I really like Dermott and hope that the Leafs bring him back this year on a bridge deal. If it was the difference between having enough cap for a Pietrangelo signing or something huge like that, I might circle back on the idea, but otherwise I'll keep Dermott and Kerfoot.

Also for Toronto I don't see him making more than 1.3 - 2M next year on a 1 or 2 year deal, so thats big for cap reasons.

I think he looks like a good young d growing into the league. I see him traded so often her I just wondered if there was no role for him. With reilly muzz and sandin on the left I thought he might be expendable

He's comfortable playing right too. Does it often. I don't think he's the guy to play with Mo but I'd like to give him a shot with Muzzin. I don't like that people trade him as often as they do - especially when there's no crazy move that would absolutely require a Dermott trade for cap reasons.

If this is garbage what does that make the rest of your team aside from Bertuzzi, Larkin, Mantha, Zadina, and Hronek?

It's about giving Toronto cap space not the return they get.

It makes them nobody's waiting for the rebuild to take place. Just a bunch of place holders till we get more prospects and young kids.

I'd add fabbri to the list above too, he was really good once we got him, seider gonna be a beast too.

Preach patience, no need to trade draft picks for players that will help them 0% in their rebuild.

Trade kerfoot and dermott to a team like Dallas or Calgary or Edmonton who can use them, we have no need for this and need to keep the picks

I don't think its realistic to think steve is gonna draft an entire team. You need to add players at some point that can help. A deal like this is a small price to add pieces that can be here a while. Ld is an issue and dermont helps that in the short and long term. Kerfoot can play center or move to the wing in the middle 6. We can't just bring the same team back from this season it will be a disaster.

They will be getting players via taking on bad contracts and free agency, no reason to give up picks for these players. Even if we were to want players dermott is fine but not for giving up anything big. Kerfoot is literally garbage and you will regret it the second we trade for him. We know we are going to stink next year, so who cares if we bring in players or not.
Yzerman builds through the draft and then brings in those players like he did in tampa. Their core and main players all draft picks, then sprinkle in signing and trades, it's to early to Sacrafice a 2nd in a deep draft for guys that won't help our rebuild

Yeah we're going to stick but we can't be historically bad again. They need to add. Id rather steve use a couple picks on some warm bodies . a youngish ld has to be a priority.

But why would to weaken their team to get a bit of cap space? Kerfoot is a good 3C with term and a fair contract. Dermott will be a cheap and very effective depth guy with upside. Why move that for a overpriced 4C

They can do better if giving up a 2nd then. I wouldn't give up more then a 4th for Dermott.

Tjats fair they could probably do better for that 2nd. I never thought much of dermott but hes growing on me

But my point is they aren't garbage. I actually think Dermott would fill the hole at long term LHD nicely for DET. A Dermott - Seider pairing could work out quite well. I see him being a top 4 D as early as next year, which is why I don't want this trade either

I'd never trade a 2nd in a deep draft during a rebuild for a 24 year old(start of next season) who looks to be a 5/6 guy at best. Just not what I'm looking for in this current rebuild. Below looks good to me by the end of next season

Seider/power
Hronek/drysdale
Mcissac/Cholowksi/Lindstrom