Allen with .927 and a 2.1 GAA, a guy you are gonna use as a 2C and a first round pick for a guy who can't see out of his eye. LMFAO

rethink this. Allen 2nd-3rd round pick worth. Bozak 4th round pick worth. We aren't trading cap dumps here these are guys who have valuable depth appeal. I'm sorry this is gonna be St.Louis hanging up on Buffalo I know we stole ROR from you, but Blues won't fall for the same tricks.

Not sure NJ would want MoJo again.

Respectfully, you can't be serious with that Blues offer. That's waaay off.

Allen has those numbers because of the team in front of him, he certainly wouldn't perform that well in Buffalo. The idea behind this trade is for St Louis to clear cap to keep your best D man, all you give up is a backup who you replace in the trade, an overpaid 3rd line center, and a 1st in the 25-31 range. The way I see it, if you wanna keep Alex, you have to clear cap and the above trade is a simple and easy way to get 6 mil off your hands by only giving up 1 mid-value asset.



I don't see why not, he played well there

Flyers accept

All four of those trades are way off in value. New Jersey wouldn't trade back about half of the first round for Pilut (who might not play in North America this season), a dubious rookie and one year of Marcus Johansson, and then you think that they would throw Miles Wood in, too? The St Louis trade is WAY off -- if they wanted to dump those players to save cap, they could still get draft picks for them, instead of having to give up a first-round pick no matter how late. And the other two trades just don't make sense for the other teams.

So then why do you want him?

I seriously don't see the thinking behind wanting to acquire a guy you don't expect to do well.

I don’t see why blues would have to give up a first in that deal.... Just because it’s a meant as a cap dump for blues doesn’t mean they will give away useful assets. I think that’s become a very common mistake on here. One team can do an obvious cap dump while the other pays for the players.

The Philly trade makes sense for both teams, Philly could definitely use a RHD and the Sabres have too many of them.

I disagree. Flyers have only Provorov and Gostisbehere on LD, with Myers and one year of Niskanen remaining on the right (Sanheim can go either way). I don't think Philly is likely to trade a defenseman, even for another defenseman.

Sanheim, Provorov and Hagg are LHD, Niskanen only has one year left and is 34, Braun is old and a UFA, Myers is a RHD but isn't very experienced, seriously trading Gostisbehere for Montour makes too much sense for both teams.

I think it makes sense. Flyers trade Ghost for Montour and it looks like this next year:
Provorov-Niskanen
Sanheim-Myers
Hagg-Montour
Friedman

The Flyers can trade Ghost to Buffalo and use that cap space to sign Montour while letting Braun walk. Flyers get their RHD for next year and the Sabres unload an RHD, which they have an excess of, and pick up a 2nd pair LHD in Ghost who has huge upside with good contract if he can find his game. I think it's a pretty fair one-for-one trade

The New Jersey trade is Buffalo acquiring a 4th liner and a 1st in the 15-24 range and the Devils acquiring a young NHL ready D, high B RW prospect, useful middle 6 vet, and a 1st likely in the 24-28 range. At most they move down 13 spots in the first round and they acquire 2 prospects that fill needs they have



I understand where you are coming from. They are in essence cap dumps because the end goal of this trade is to clear cap for STL so they can keep Pietrangelo. The trade is basically Pietrangelo, Hutton, a 4th for Allen, Bozak, and a 1st.



I said I didn't think he would play as well in Buffalo as he did in St Louis. That's undoubtedly true. However, he would be an upgrade over Hutton and would be a good 1b goalie with Ullmark. I don't expect him to be .927 and a 2.1 GAA but move like .915 and 2.8 GAA

But that’s the thing blue can cap dump both Bozak and Allen for a assets. Just because it’s a dump doesn’t mean they are worthless to other teams. I really think it’s a very very common thing on this site that isn’t completely accurate. Might not get full value but certainly shouldn’t have to pay in this case.

Niskanen has one year left on his contract and is better than Montour; Gostisbehere is better than Hagg. Nobody was counting Braun.

Yeah one year left of Niskanen who's turning 34, wouldn't adding a 26 year old RHD to replace Niskanen make sense?

Dude, there is no way the Blues would do that trade with us

Vancouver loses their play-in matchup and that pick is 12 to 14. Meanwhile, St Louis is probably going to win at least two rounds of the real playoffs, so that pick is 28 to 31. Like it or not, Wood is an actual NHL player, whereas neither Pilut nor Thompson have proven that they are and in the case of Pilut, the question may be academic. I repeat that Johansson is in the last year of his contract. No, New Jersey is not doing that even if Vancouver makes the playoffs.



Well, if he's going to be a "good 1b goalie" with those stats, then why in the world would St Louis have to pay a first to get rid of him?!?

Allen's value is positive, at least as high as a third-round pick. For example, if John Gibson strains his hamstring in training camp, Bob Murray's first call is going to be to Doug Armstrong -- that is, if Allen hasn't already been moved. Bozak's value, although minor, is not minimal and certainly not negative. In short, that trade is so bad we've moved out of the realm of subjective opinion and into the realm of objective awfulness.

At the cost of a 27-year-old LD?

No.

I have already repeated my reasoning and my opinion so I won't say it again. If you think I'm out to left field than that's okay but I don't agree with you

You said he’s an upgrade right common sense says that costs assets not jump on nhl 20 and do this

1- That's odd, because he clearly outperformed Binnington this season. And his numbers were that good even when our defense was allowing a lot of high danger chances, both early in the season and during our winter meh period.

2- How do you know?

3- Well, that's just a big pile of slanted nonsense. All three of those are assets with value, end of story. And then you want us to take your garbage (Hutton, for whom we have zero use/want) for you, which makes it four. So you want four pieces of value for a 4th round pick? And yeeeeah, you also may wish to notice that you aren't the only team in the league we can trade with.

Idk a player in the league that would preform better in Buffalo than in St. Louis. Maybe Faulk...

I don't see why not, he played well there[/quote]

How could you know that? He was injured for half his time in NJ. I'd pass on him. No need to bring him back.