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Date de création initiale: 16 juill. 2020
Publié: 16 juill. 2020
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with the cap not moving and the need to sign Pietrangelo you need cap space so what would be the price of Jake Allen and Vince Dunn toghether?

I see many trade from STL fans : Allen for a 3rd or 4th round so i know a little bit about his value in a trade
Vince Dunn value is a mistery (personaly i think its kinda high) most of you give him a bridge contract 2x2.75m but you put him in 1st duo ,2nd duo and 3rd duo so where his he in your system , how do you see him , what is his value (in a trade )?do you have young guy in your prospect pool to take his place if he's traded or want someone cheaper in return ?

because many team will try to make cap space when the season end what do you think the return can be for them ? : a 2nd round , a cheap backup goalie , a cheap bottom 6 def
or do you have specific need you have to fill ?

and yes because i am a habs fan i m gonna try with my team
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16 juill. 2020 à 14 h 54
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The Blues should not consider trading Dunn for anything less than a top-15 pick
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I’ll preface this with the fact that the scenario where we trade Dunn is less likely than us letting Petro walk. I think STL would want to move up in the draft to restock the prospect pool, but also a replacement. I’d propose, depending on who’s available at #9, Dunn, Blais, and our 2020 1st for Mete, Poehling and your 2020 1st.
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16 juill. 2020 à 15 h 15
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There isnt a big enough difference between Mete and Dunn to warrant adding anything else to that trade
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16 juill. 2020 à 15 h 23
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Modifié 16 juill. 2020 à 15 h 29
Quoting: BluesBandit
I’ll preface this with the fact that the scenario where we trade Dunn is less likely than us letting Petro walk. I think STL would want to move up in the draft to restock the prospect pool, but also a replacement. I’d propose, depending on who’s available at #9, Dunn, Blais, and our 2020 1st for Mete, Poehling and your 2020 1st.


Montreal is not going to get pinched into overpaying to a team in cap hell. If you want our first you will need to pay, take out Blais whom we have zero need for and add Thomas, also add Allen and we will add an additional 2020 3rd (WSH) and Ylonen and just to even it out I would also send back your 2020 2nd(STL) ...so it would be Dunn + Thomas + Allen + 2020 1st(STL) for Mete + Poehling + Ylonen + 2020 1st (MTL) + 2020 2nd (STL) + 2020 3rd(WSH)
16 juill. 2020 à 15 h 33
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thanks for your answers guys
Quoting: BluesBandit
I’d propose, depending on who’s available at #9, Dunn, Blais, and our 2020 1st for Mete, Poehling and your 2020 1st.


interesting idea i say yes to that depending who's available at #9 and where you draft too . if the guy we want his gone and yours is not everyone can be happy as i see it : Dunn for #9 high price but ok , Poehling for around #25 high price but ok we are even , Blais for Mete ok for me. so basicaly a good offer, great job.

Quoting: STLBlues17
The Blues should not consider trading Dunn for anything less than a top-15 pick


if we got #9 again if the guy we want to draft his gone and we trade down a couple of spot i can see it happening let say we accept #9 for around #15 and a second round then trade #15 for Dunn then its ok but if we fall around #15 because we beat PIT but lost in the first round its kinda the worse scenario for us not ready for it yet .
16 juill. 2020 à 15 h 39
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Quoting: OldmanWebber
Montreal is not going to get pinched into overpaying to a team in cap hell. If you want our first you will need to pay, take out Blais whom we have zero need for and add Thomas, also add Allen and we will add an additional 2020 3rd (WSH) and Ylonen and just to even it out I would also send back your 2020 2nd(STL) ...so it would be Dunn + Thomas + Allen + 2020 1st(STL) for Mete + Poehling + Ylonen + 2020 1st (MTL) + 2020 2nd (STL) + 2020 3rd(WSH)


Lol
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Quoting: OldmanWebber
Montreal is not going to get pinched into overpaying to a team in cap hell. If you want our first you will need to pay, take out Blais whom we have zero need for and add Thomas, also add Allen and we will add an additional 2020 3rd (WSH) and Ylonen and just to even it out I would also send back your 2020 2nd(STL) ...so it would be Dunn + Thomas + Allen + 2020 1st(STL) for Mete + Poehling + Ylonen + 2020 1st (MTL) + 2020 2nd (STL) + 2020 3rd(WSH)



Okay so you're straight trippin'.
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Quoting: OldmanWebber
...so it would be Dunn + Thomas + Allen + 2020 1st(STL) for Mete + Poehling + Ylonen + 2020 1st (MTL) + 2020 2nd (STL) + 2020 3rd(WSH)


it's starting to get a little too big just have the intention to make a trade like the one who got Armia in MTL but i think Dunn is a bit better or at least have a little bit more value then Armia at that moment so we will need to give a little something to compensate so the 2nd round
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Quoting: STLBlues17
Lol


I wonder why so many Habs always throw Lindgren in trade conversations. Does he have any value. I mean is he really a backup teams would give up anything up for?
16 juill. 2020 à 16 h 17
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Quoting: Gordon_Bombay
I wonder why so many Habs always throw Lindgren in trade conversations. Does he have any value. I mean is he really a backup teams would give up anything up for?


Idk, I kinda like him but he’s got probably no value. I was just laughing at him putting Thomas in the trade
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Dunn is pretty easily our best LHD and- hot take- he's our best defenseman not named Alex Pietrangelo. People like to hold up that he plays primarily third pairing minutes, but we roll our pairings relatively even compared to most teams (that third pairing was mostly Dunn-Faulk this year) and he also gets a lot of starts with Pietrangelo, as well as QB'ing the second PP, which was actually more productive than our first unit this year. The last three years, Dunn was 11th, then 6th, then 3rd in goals above replacement and was 11th, 6th, and then 4th in wins above replacement. He will also be decently cheap this year since he's an RFA with no leverage and the cap didn't rise. For what he brings to the table, anything below 3 will be an absolute steal.

Dude has just been getting better and better and better. He's excellent at both ends of the ice and can QB a PP, a special teams we've struggled with recently before this year. I honestly believe he should untouchable (Which I know is probably not what you want to hear).
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Quoting: OldmanWebber
Montreal is not going to get pinched into overpaying to a team in cap hell. If you want our first you will need to pay, take out Blais whom we have zero need for and add Thomas, also add Allen and we will add an additional 2020 3rd (WSH) and Ylonen and just to even it out I would also send back your 2020 2nd(STL) ...so it would be Dunn + Thomas + Allen + 2020 1st(STL) for Mete + Poehling + Ylonen + 2020 1st (MTL) + 2020 2nd (STL) + 2020 3rd(WSH)



I’m not sure if you’re joking or just totally unaware of the value of Dunn but especially Thomas to the Blues. There is literally zero chance Thomas gets traded . He’s the most untouchable player on the roster.

To the OP, the reason most people believe Dunn will be signed for cheap (close to 3m or less) is because he’s a RFA with no arbitration rights. His contract doesn’t devalue his importance. He simply has no leverage.

Dunn is worth a mid 1st rd pick.
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Dunn is pretty easily our best LHD and- hot take- he's our best defenseman not named Alex Pietrangelo. People like to hold up that he plays primarily third pairing minutes, but we roll our pairings relatively even compared to most teams (that third pairing was mostly Dunn-Faulk this year) and he also gets a lot of starts with Pietrangelo, as well as QB'ing the second PP, which was actually more productive than our first unit this year. The last three years, Dunn was 11th, then 6th, then 3rd in goals above replacement and was 11th, 6th, and then 4th in wins above replacement. He will also be decently cheap this year since he's an RFA with no leverage and the cap didn't rise. For what he brings to the table, anything below 3 will be an absolute steal.

Dude has just been getting better and better and better. He's excellent at both ends of the ice and can QB a PP, a special teams we've struggled with recently before this year. I honestly believe he should untouchable (Which I know is probably not what you want to hear).


yeah not really what i want to hear :-) but at least you give some good piece of information , thanks.



Quoting: Sicarius


To the OP, the reason most people believe Dunn will be signed for cheap (close to 3m or less) is because he’s a RFA with no arbitration rights. His contract doesn’t devalue his importance. He simply has no leverage.

Dunn is worth a mid 1st rd pick.




thanks for the value . you are the second who said that today .
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