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Seth Jones and depth

Créé par: Jack_
Date de création initiale: jun 23, 2020
Publié: 23 jun 2020 à 15 h 44
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
Puljujärvi, Jesse2925 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
Gauthier, Frédérik1700 000 $
Mikheyev, Ilya21 850 000 $
Jankowski, Mark31 700 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Spezza, Jason1700 000 $
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TOR
  1. Jones, Seth
CBJ
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
  2. Kerfoot, Alexander
  3. Bracco, Jeremy [Droits de RFA]
  4. 2021 2e round pick (TOR)
2.
TOR
  1. Jankowski, Mark [Droits de RFA]
  2. 2021 3e round pick (CGY)
  3. 2020 4e round pick (SJS)
CGY
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
3.
TOR
  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse [Liste de réserve]
EDM
  1. Korshkov, Yegor
  2. 2021 3e round pick (CGY)
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  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
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TOR
VGK
SJS
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
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TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
1 850 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
10 903 000 $
AD
UFA - 5
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
821 667 $
AG
RFA - 4
Jankowski, Mark
1 700 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
Puljujärvi, Jesse
925 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
1 250 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Spezza, Jason
700 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
925 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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TOR
Muzzin, Jake
5 625 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Holl, Justin
2 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
CBJ
Jones, Seth
5 400 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Campbell, Jack
1 650 000 $
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 2
TOR
Liljegren, Timothy
863 333 $
DD
RFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
700 000 $
C
UFA - 1
TOR
Marincin, Martin
700 000 $
DG
UFA - 1

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Nylander, W.
Tavares, J.
Matthews, A.
Marner, M.
Rielly, M.
Avantage numérique 2
Puljujärvi, J.
Barabanov, A.
Robertson, N.
Spezza, J.
Sandin, R.
Infériorité numérique 1
Tavares, J.
Hyman, Z.
Muzzin, J.
Holl, J.
Infériorité numérique 2
Engvall, P.
Marner, M.
Sandin, R.
Jones, S.

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23 jun 2020 à 18 h 53
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Quoting: Viqsi
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Mitch marner and Oliver Bjorkstrand are not seth jones- the guy who we are talking about here. I'm not sure what this has to do with anything?
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23 jun 2020 à 18 h 58
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Quoting: Viqsi
My point is that Marner isn't a top-line winger and based off of on ice value it's a fair assessment. You haven't cited anything beyond naming random places where there might be information, which shows absolutely nothing. At this point he pretty much is what he is and that is a winger who plays alongside superstars and is carried by them.


One of your last posts was that there is lots of stuff to back up Jones being good. You asked where else I was looking then posted Marner and Bjorkstrands RAPM. Compare Justin Holl's RAPM and Jones' RAPM and let me know how you feel about that.
23 jun 2020 à 19 h 08
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Quoting: Jack_
Mitch marner and Oliver Bjorkstrand are not seth jones- the guy who we are talking about here. I'm not sure what this has to do with anything?

You insist that Marner is better than Bjorkstrand, yet you've not shown how you're backing up that assertion. Surely the parallel is an obvious one.
23 jun 2020 à 19 h 11
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Quoting: Viqsi
You insist that Marner is better than Bjorkstrand, yet you've not shown how you're backing up that assertion. Surely the parallel is an obvious one.


show me where I said Marner is better then Bjorkstrand.
23 jun 2020 à 19 h 11
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Quoting: Jack_
One of your last posts was that there is lots of stuff to back up Jones being good. You asked where else I was looking then posted Marner and Bjorkstrands RAPM. Compare Justin Holl's RAPM and Jones' RAPM and let me know how you feel about that.

We're not talking about Justin Holl. We're talking about comparative evaluation of players that are popularly regarded as being elite or near-elite.
23 jun 2020 à 19 h 11
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Quoting: Jack_
show me where I said Marner is better then Bjorkstrand.

Oh. So you do believe Bjorkstrand is better than Marner?
23 jun 2020 à 19 h 20
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Quoting: Viqsi
Oh. So you do believe Bjorkstrand is better than Marner?


this season Bjork has been better. marner is way more valuable on the PP but at 5v5 i much rather have bjork
23 jun 2020 à 19 h 37
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Quoting: Jack_
this season Bjork has been better. marner is way more valuable on the PP but at 5v5 i much rather have bjork

Okay, then. I give you points for consistency, anyways.
23 jun 2020 à 19 h 48
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Quoting: Jack_
thats a good point. you almost perfectly described Rasmus Ristolainen


Except for the fact Ristolainen can’t get lay defense. Jones can. It isn’t a stretch to call Jones a future Norris winner. But you don’t like him, I understand.
23 jun 2020 à 20 h 23
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Quoting: Jack_
all stats available to the public point to him being not that great. hes very talented but is clearly not preforming to his highest potential on the top pair meaning he should be moved down


What is up with your hate boner for Jones recently? You read one JFresh article and suddenly think hes the worst player in the world. You do understand analytics arent everything? This is all coming from a columbus fan who does think Jones is overrated, but you're WAY overblowing trying to be edgy. Even in his current state CBJ dont take that.
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23 jun 2020 à 20 h 31
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Bjorkstrand had a significantly higher GAR than Marner this year and a higher Corsi rating. How can you sit here and say Marner is exempt from advanced stats then go and use them to define Jones? That's pure ignorance.


Not to mention his advanced stats are flawed too. Hes mentioning how both Reilly and Jones sucked defensively but Reilly made up with that offensively... has he forgotten Toronto and Columbus are on separate ends of the offense spectrum?

I love JFresh. But this dude saw one article, didn't even read it fully and is now acting like he has some god given super power to pull advanced stats out of his ass and be the ultimate hockey knowledge guy. Even if Seth is a 2nd pair guy (which he isnt) then that package wont get him based on his leadership and potential. I'm not sure why Jack is saying "he is what he is now"... PLENTY of defensmen have down seasons and then surge back. Also the whole "marner is immune to advanced stats but Jones isnt" narrative is kind of funny
23 jun 2020 à 22 h 07
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Quoting: Bdawwwgy1
What is up with your hate boner for Jones recently? You read one JFresh article and suddenly think hes the worst player in the world. You do understand analytics arent everything? This is all coming from a columbus fan who does think Jones is overrated, but you're WAY overblowing trying to be edgy. Even in his current state CBJ dont take that.


I've been on the seth jones isnt that good train for a few years now. I checked out the graphic but I havent read the article yet
 
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