I LOVE logic!

Thank you bro!

CBJ's pp is slightly better without him. That is PP2 after all but he still is bad on the pp. hes one of the reasons it isnt that good

Except that Seth Jones is not nearly as good as his reputation. Top 4 Dman for sure but not Nylander + 1st + another piece valuable.

JFresh's article, despite the seriously clickbaity headline, comes to almost reasonable conclusions - he argues merely that Jones shouldn't be considered elite because he feels there's deficiencies in Jones' game whose existence is hinted at by advanced statistics. The OP, by contrast, is insisting Jones "has the potential" to become a second-pairing guy. Not that he's presently a second-pairing guy - that he might be that someday if he improves. JFresh got piled on a little excessively. This guy is a pathetic troll who deserves every bit of scorn and dismissal he's getting and more besides.

bjorkstrand is very good- one of the most underrated players in the nhl. Marner is still better though, he has proven hes been able to outperform his metrics by such a large extent compared to bjork who is very good but not as good.

I don't have him either (in my top5) but calm down with the analytics

The market value viewed by analytics (if I can say it like that) isn't the same than the real NHL market value. No way CBJ accepts that, even if you show them Jones' analytics, they won't care about that.

But @Jack_ just starts saying " oh you know he isn't that good " and that's it

So I'm glad we can all agree that CBJ hangs up the phone instantly regardless of people's opinions on whether Jones is good or not.

Kerfoot had 9 goals and less points than Jones lmao. And Kapanen is a 40 point player. You are talking like they are some sort of great top 6 guys

I know Jones has a bad season.... but come on. You aren’t trading Crosby for Danault. Though Danault has better advanced stats..... come on dude... get back to planet earth.

youre comparing apples and oranges bud

kapanen is a middle 6 player on almost all nhl teams and kerfoot is a good 3c.

Exactly. Nothing more than that. That doesnt get you Seth Jones

Bjorkstrand had a significantly higher GAR than Marner this year and a higher Corsi rating. How can you sit here and say Marner is exempt from advanced stats then go and use them to define Jones? That's pure ignorance.

just wanted to be able to say I was in this thread.

Good grief.

of course im trolling people. on CF people think Jones is Baby Jesus 2.0 for some reason when its very clear he isnt. ive never said he isnt talented but besides one extremly good season Jones hasnt been that good and it bugs me that people think hes a top 10 defenseman because of 17-18

Yeah I realize that, but compared to other sports the analytics in hockey are far behind. The reason why they are becoming popular is because people realize that your eyes only see roughly 15% of what the player actually does on the ice through the course of the game. The eye test is great to see why a player does or does not have good analytics. In Jones case it's because he hasn't moved the puck that effectively in transition and hasn't been great in the offensive end. He has been around average defensively as well. Now I am not disagreeing with you. Jones percieved value around the league is sky high. They probably could get Marner or Nylander and a 1st plus. It would be hard to call that a win for the leafs at this time though. I think the anayltics departments on teams are gaining more traction. That is why Ristolainen hasn't been traded yet. In the past a big right shot defenceman would have been dealt already and for a big price (like Ehlers or someone like that).

did he? i dont have his numbers up in front of me and i sure as hell havent memorized them but thats good to know. GAR and WAR isnt perfect by any means but i still believe its better then the majority of peoples eyetest and opinions

They aren’t in a package for Jones lmao wake up

https://imgur.com/a/aMnZhwd

are we talking about a trade for Jones or a trade for Jones' reputation?

Poehling + Lehkonen + 2nd rd pick vs Morgan Reilly, Reilly isn’t that good, a solid #3

Like I understand the entire post is troll, i knew from the beginning but there has to be some realism if you want to be persistent on arguing some things.
For example:
Jones had a Corsi Player Rating (CPR) of 78.31 this year, which is 4th amoung RD league wide, Rielly had a CPR of 75.31 this year for 14th amoung LD.
Jones had a GAR of 4.5 and WAR of 0.8 this year and Rielly had a GAR of 4.4 and WAR of 0.8, so according to EW they were roughly equally as relevant this year

Jones is that good. 25 minute a night top pairing dmen that score 30+ Points are like unicorns

That depends. On the topic of Bjorkstrand versus Marner earlier, were we discussing Marner, or Marner's reputation?

thats a good point. you almost perfectly described Rasmus Ristolainen