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What’d you guys think of this idea?

Gostisbehere is younger and has much higher upside. Not sure why PHI would do this, let alone with the retention

Jack Johnson will need to be attached with a pretty high pick to be moved with out retention. I would expect the Marleau to CAR deal would be the comparable to move him.

Ghost isn’t a bad defenseman. He was a hurt defenseman who had some confidence issues on top of it. He stated to play better before the break and his confidence was up as well. Zero chance we do this.

Not a chance. Flyers can still trade ghost for picks/prospects. Johnson has negative value and the Pens would need add a to a first to move him. He doesn't get Ghost plus retention.

yawn...... it costs a 1st to move Gudbranson.....

If you are looking to play Ghost for 3 years, then I guess it's ok for the penguins.

Personally I don't like it.
The buyout on Ghost is awful.
The penguins would have a much easier time moving JJ than Ghost if they wanted to dump the final 2 years of the contract.
JJ buyout in the final 2 years.
$1,125,000, $1,875,000, $875,000, $875,000
an actual buyout cost of $3,500,000

Ghost buyout is .
$3,833,333, $3,833,333, $333,333, $333,333
an actual buyout cost of $1,333,333.

In other words, you can't really save cap in buying out Ghost.
It's a non starter. if you are trying to move him to another team.
JJ is much easier to trade.

Why would anyone consider buying Ghost out though. He’s not nearly as bad as these boards make him out to be and with that contract. Considering him a buyout candidate Is laughable. Players get hurt and sometimes lack confidence.....doesn’t mean they can’t get healthy and grow more confidence.

No way flyers do it, but I could see a similar Johnson for underperforming D with higher upside

Ottawa says NO THANKS. We might take on a contract to help us reach the floor but, if it's not a player we actually want, there are teams who'll actually reward us for taking their cap dump, so...

Yaps at me for talking nonsense, being a homer, over valuing my team's players while under valuing other teams players... then posts Gostisbehere ($750K retained) for Jack Johnson

I'd be down for this. Always wanted a puck mover on that left side

Jugs is the exact type of player OTT takes on.
A. he is covered by at least 80% by insurance if he goes on LTIR. So it's basically free cap for OTT.
B. if he plays he'll probably play well there, and then OTT will flip him for a pick at TDL.

It's foolish to think OTT wouldn't take him. He's low risk high reward for OTT.

Because he's not worth 4 million as a 3rd pairing.
Which is another reason why I don't see the penguins doing this.

If I'm Ottawa, I pass. There are loads of teams trying to clear cap space so Ottawa has plenty of options, and most teams understand it costs a pick or prospect to get rid of a bad contract. Ottawa can do better than "future considerations".

The Pens not doing this ???? You mean the Flyers surely. Ghost retained for Jack Johnson is a complete joke for Philly not Pittsburgh

there are not loads of teams clearing space with players that can be flipped. Maybe TB, but they probably aren't giving up players for virtually nothing, they surely aren't going to add to moving a guy like Kilorn.

There just aren't that many guys with the one of two options. A. LTIR for 1 year on an expiring contract. and B. capable of being flipped if he does play.

I'm sure if you want to take on some 6 year 7 million dollar deal you can get valsic for SJS.
But that's not the idea here. It's a 1 year deal, possibly costs the owner nothing, if it does, he will get something out of it.
I think there are maybe 2-3 guys who have 1 year left and are on LTIR. Dubinsky is one but CBJ isn't going to move him. There is no point for them to do that.
It's the exact type of move he made last year.

You over value Ghost.
The penguins have a 3rd pairing guy waiting in POJ.
Getting an almost 4 million 3rd pairing guy for 3 years is not in their best interest.
Which is why I have the buyout at 2 years. As that is when POJ will probably be ready to come in and play.
So they will either move JJ (most likely to a team that buys him out) or buy him out.

Ghost is harder to move out. And that was the whole point.
Moving JJ out is no big deal, it's an easy buyout. even buried it's 2 mil in cap for 2 years.
You can't do that with ghost.

Are you talking about the Callahan trade? That allowed us to get rid of Condon and upped a 6th rd pick to a 5th. So Ottawa got 2 perks out of that move. PLUS they knew Callahan wouldn't play so there was no danger of A) having to pay him or B) him taking a roster spot away from a player we're trying to develop. If you're talking about Namestnikov, well, he's just a better player than Bjugstad, and I'm not sure Ottawa was 100% sure he'd only be a rental. They knew they had 50 game to decide and would be able to recoup the 4th rounder he cost them at the very least.

Hard to say Namestnikov has more value than Bjugstad. Jugs is a center. If he's healthy come TDL, those are rare, especially on expiring deals.
Look at this years TDL, there were virtually none to come in and help.
If Jugs plays well, and OTT inflates his numbers much like they did to Dzingle, and virtually every other player OTT has knowingly flipped, they will benefit from flipping him.
I mean really you get one or two paths with him. He sits on LTIR costs nothing.
B, you flip him for something else.

Most likely you get A. but It's a contract year for him so B. is a real possibility.
It's not like he doesn't have skill he does. He's just always hurt.

I would far rather have Norris in the line up. Probably get the same p/gp while gaining experience and he's a beast in the face-off circle.

you are over here acting like OTT has 4 centers.

At which point we are done.

Centers I would rather see them use over Bjugstad: Tierney, White, Norris, L. Brown, Nick Paul, Anisimov, and (possibly) Byfield or Rossi. Not sure why you're acting like someone disagreeing with you means they don't have a valid opinion. It's okay to agree to disagree. Most GMS do in real life too.

There are also a large number of UFA centres who would cost less and be just as valuable at trade deadline: Spezza, Ennis, Brassard, Eakin, Koivu... the list goes on.

I agree that the value is not fair, but I’m trying to make a trade solely based on the Scuderi for Daley swap. It may seem hard to believe but I feel there are GMs throughout the league that still value the type of defenceman JJ is. Indeed he’s terrible, but he is big, physical, blocks shots, can be used on the PK & PP. There were still teams that wanted Scuderi, Girardi & Russell.