CBJ Savard or ARI Demers

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Créé par: CaptainFlynnt

Équipe: 2020-21 Canadiens de Montréal

Date de création initiale: 9 mai 2020

Publié: 9 mai 2020

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Would like feedback on these two players value. MTL is likely to have unused cap space next season. These players have the following in common:
- RHD that can play 20 minutes a night.
- CBJ needs to sign Dubois + others and ARI needs to sign Hall or other FA's.
- They only have one year left on current contract.
- Both from Quebec (that's just a happy coincidence for MTL)

What would the cost be to acquire the players? For MTL, it's a matter of shoring up defensive depth. They have Juulsen as a RHD, but he hasnt been healthy in almost 2 years. They have Fluery, but he can play in Laval.

This isn't a trade MTL has to make so I wouldn't be willing to pay anything of real value. Does ARI or CBJ trade them as a cap dump?

As a bonus, I am also interested in the following players from each team: Anderson (CBJ) and Raanta (ARI)

Maybe a bigger trade could be worked out?

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MTL

Demers, Jason

ARI

Value?

MTL

Savard, David

CBJ

Value?

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TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
19	81 500 000 $	65 467 142 $	0 $	425 000 $	16 032 858 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Drouin, Jonathan 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 3	Danault, Phillip 3 083 333 $3 083 333 $ C UFA - 1	Gallagher, Brendan 3 750 000 $3 750 000 $ AD, AG NMC UFA - 1
Tatar, Tomas 4 800 000 $4 800 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Weal, Jordan 1 400 000 $1 400 000 $ C, AD, AG UFA - 1	Armia, Joel 2 600 000 $2 600 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
Byron, Paul 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 3	Suzuki, Nick 863 333 $863 333 $ (425 000 $$425K) C UFA - 2
Lehkonen, Artturi 2 400 000 $2 400 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Teasdale, Joël 763 333 $763 333 $ AD, AG UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Alzner, Karl 4 625 000 $4 625 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 2	Weber, Shea 7 857 143 $7 857 143 $ DD UFA - 6	Price, Carey 10 500 000 $10 500 000 $ G NMC UFA - 6
Chiarot, Ben 1 750 000 $1 750 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Petry, Jeff 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ DD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1	Lindgren, Charlie 750 000 $750 000 $ G UFA - 1
Kulak, Brett 925 000 $925 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 2
Demers, Jason 3 937 500 $3 937 500 $ DD UFA - 1
Savard, David 1 062 500 $1 062 500 $ DD UFA - 1

9 mai 2020 à 11 h 58

Gabriel11

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Savard would probably be domi

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9 mai 2020 à 11 h 58

Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan

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Demers is trash. Could get him for a 4th or 5th.

9 mai 2020 à 11 h 59

KeepUps15

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You can have Demers for free

9 mai 2020 à 12 h 0

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Quoting: Kakko_to_New_York

Demers is trash. Could get him for a 4th or 5th.

I'd prefer to get something from ARI for taking his contract. Not sure if that's possible or realistic but if it helped them sign Hall or Pietrangelo maybe?

9 mai 2020 à 12 h 1

Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan

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Quoting: CaptainFlynnt

I'd prefer to get something from ARI for taking his contract. Not sure if that's possible or realistic but if it helped them sign Hall or Pietrangelo maybe?

idk at the point, maybe.

9 mai 2020 à 12 h 1

CaptainFlynnt

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Quoting: Gabriel11

Savard would probably be domi

This can't be right?

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9 mai 2020 à 12 h 2

HabsForEver

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No point in trading for either player. Why would we pay someone 4 Million to play on the 3rd pairing

9 mai 2020 à 12 h 3

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Quoting: HabsForEver

No point in trading for either player. Why would we pay someone 4 Million to play on the 3rd pairing

Was hoping to get a pick with one of them for taking there contract. Unused cap space, get a useful 3rd pairing D and a draft pick.

9 mai 2020 à 12 h 5

Ajp_18

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Quoting: CaptainFlynnt

Was hoping to get a pick with one of them for taking there contract. Unused cap space, get a useful 3rd pairing D and a draft pick.

Savard isn’t a cap dump... Murray is more of a cap dump if we need the cap room. If you want Savard and Anderson the cost is Domi. If you want Murray and Anderson the cost is a 2nd and a 3rd.

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9 mai 2020 à 12 h 5

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Quoting: CaptainFlynnt

This can't be right?

You don't just go to teams and give them fair value and expect them to say yes. They have to want the player your giving them. Savard would only get traded for a 2c. Savard is a big part of Columbus

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9 mai 2020 à 12 h 6

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Quoting: Ajp_18

Savard isn’t a cap dump... Murray is more of a cap dump if we need the cap room. If you want Savard and Anderson the cost is Domi. If you want Murray and Anderson the cost is a 2nd and a 3rd.

You could probably get 2 seconds for Murray and Anderson
Anderson = second
Murray = second

9 mai 2020 à 12 h 7

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Quoting: Gabriel11

You could probably get 2 seconds for Murray and Anderson
Anderson = second
Murray = second

Due to Murray’s injury history you’d be lucky to get a conditional 2nd for him so I’d be happy with a straight 3rd.

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9 mai 2020 à 12 h 14

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Quoting: Gabriel11

Savard would probably be domi

Whats Columbus adding?

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9 mai 2020 à 12 h 15

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So Savard is off the table. I didnt think he would be a camp dump, wasnt sure what his cost would be. Demers is less valuable in my opinion, and ARI is in a worse way with the salary cap so he is more logical fit.

Demers and Raanta for say Lindgren + another prospect frees up ~$6.6M for ARI to resign Hall or sign another big UFA. Does ARI do it?

9 mai 2020 à 12 h 17

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Quoting: Gabriel11

You don't just go to teams and give them fair value and expect them to say yes. They have to want the player your giving them. Savard would only get traded for a 2c. Savard is a big part of Columbus

Well in this case I have zero interest in Savard, more interested in trying to help CBJ out with the cap and see what I could get out of it.

Suggesting MTL trade Domi, who had 72 pts two years ago and is an RFA is ridiculous and you know it.

All you could have said is CBJ wants to keep Savard.

9 mai 2020 à 12 h 23

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Quoting: CaptainFlynnt

Savard isn't a cap dump at all but Jackets fans really overvalue him imo, he has some value sure but he's not worth Domi straight up.

Maybe Arizona does it if they think Hill can be a capable backup to Kuemper, really not sure if they'd want to break up their solid goalie tandem by trading Raanta, there's a lot of capable backups on the free agency market, why wouldn't the Habs just sign one of them, Bergevin loves collecting mid round picks though so maybe he tries something like this.. Lol

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9 mai 2020 à 12 h 28

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Gabriel11

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Quoting: MisstheWhalers

Whats Columbus adding?

Cololumbus could add Anderson

Quoting: CaptainFlynnt

Savard isn't Montreal needs. This isn't a good trade for either team

9 mai 2020 à 12 h 31

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Quoting: Gabriel11

Cololumbus could add Anderson

Savard isn't Montreal needs. This isn't a good trade for either team

Savard would definitely fit in well on MTL's 3rd pair RD, but he isn't needed as much as CBJ needs him so a deal won't work.

9 mai 2020 à 12 h 36

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Quoting: MisstheWhalers

I think Khudobin and Crawford will stay put. The bonus in acquiring Raanta would be you also get his negotiating rights for an extension if he is a good fit.

9 mai 2020 à 12 h 55

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Subbanator7667

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If you aim to help the coyotes out of cap trouble I think Habs would target Goligoski, still capable and cap hit is still bearable as long as the price is right for taking him on.

9 mai 2020 à 13 h 6

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Quoting: Subbanator7667

If you aim to help the coyotes out of cap trouble I think Habs would target Goligoski, still capable and cap hit is still bearable as long as the price is right for taking him on.

Goligoski has more value than demers (so less of a cap dump trade). He also has an 8 team trade list where Demers has no clause for 2020-21.

9 mai 2020 à 13 h 9

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Why can’t Montreal and Toronto fans give fair value? Every time it’s the same thing. For some reason the rest of the league is only there to supplement players for these teams. Smh

9 mai 2020 à 15 h 13

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Quoting: Jacketsman61

Why can’t Montreal and Toronto fans give fair value? Every time it’s the same thing. For some reason the rest of the league is only there to supplement players for these teams. Smh

What are you talking about? This is a thread asking for feedback on what the value of Savard or Demers would be. So how does that = "stupid habs and leafs fans can't give fair value smh".

A jackets fan came here and suggested Domi for Savard... which is absurd.

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9 mai 2020 à 17 h 27

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Quoting: CaptainFlynnt

Except it's technically untrue. It's more that the Jackets need a #2C and Savard is one of the assets we'd give up to get that. That's just the state of things. Whether or not it makes sense for Montreal to pursue that is a different matter.

It doesn't have to be straight up, for that matter. Adds are doable.

9 mai 2020 à 19 h 14

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Quoting: CaptainFlynnt

Not really absurd. Just not likely. Defensemen hold the most value in trades. That is a fact. Add in he is a RHD and that increases his value. If you are looking at point totals that can be misleading. Remember, defensemen are there to help keep goals off the board. That is their main job. Now, look at his games played and shot block totals. There you can see he is good at keeping goals out of the net but also suppresses shot totals. Which is truly what teams should be paying for. True he may not be straight up for Domi. But it won’t take anything substantial to bring the value closer.

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