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LEAFS ROSTER WITHOUT MARNER

Créé par: TheLeafsSeason
Date de création initiale: mar 27, 2020
Publié: 27 mar à 11 h 37
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
UFAANSCAP HIT
Clifford, Kyle31 700 000 $
Maroon, Patrick31 500 000 $
Del Zotto, Michael31 000 000 $
Thornton, Joe1950 000 $
Wilson, Garrett1800 000 $
Transactions
TOR
  1. Severson, Damon
NJD
  1. Holl, Justin
  2. Johnsson, Andreas
TOR
  1. Savard, David
  2. Bjorkstrand, Oliver
  3. 2022 2e round pick (CBJ)
CBJ
  1. Marner, Mitchell
Rachats de contrats
  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
TOR
TOR
VGK
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
CBJ
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $77 645 532 $0 $400 000 $3 854 468 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TOR
Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 634 000 $
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
1 250 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
3 200 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
TOR
Clifford, Kyle
1 700 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 3
CBJ
Bjorkstrand, Oliver
2 500 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
Maroon, Patrick
1 500 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 2
Thornton, Joe
950 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 1
TOR
Wilson, Garrett
800 000 $
AD, AG
UFA
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
CBJ
Savard, David
4 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
5 625 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 4
NJD
Severson, Damon
4 166 666 $
DD
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
1 650 000 $
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 2
Del Zotto, Michael
1 000 000 $
DG
UFA
TOR
Rosén, Calle
750 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
TOR
Liljegren, Timothy
863 333 $
DD
RFA - 2

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27 mar à 11 h 38
#1
Marner Stan Account
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I think that’s a decent trade but most Blue Jacket fans would argue that Bjorkstrand is better than Marner.
TheLeafsSeason a aimé ceci.
27 mar à 11 h 40
#2
Démarrer sujet
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I agree, but although Marner is an amazing player, and I would love to have him on this team, look how much the Leafs can solidify their blue line give or take. Incredible amount of grit added to the Leafs with a solid defensive group, and the CBJ would get a 100 point player
27 mar à 11 h 42
#3
Banni
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Ok. We are gonna get a much better package than that for Marner. A rental and a second line forward and a second for an elite player.
nono
27 mar à 11 h 43
#4
SakuKoivuEnthusiast
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Unfortunately, If it were not for his contract you could get way more for him
27 mar à 11 h 46
#5
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Quoting: SevenLeg
Unfortunately, If it were not for his contract you could get way more for him


And you still can. The contract is an overpay, but it's not as bad as it's made out to be.
27 mar à 11 h 46
#6
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Quoting: Leafsfan34
Ok. We are gonna get a much better package than that for Marner. A rental and a second line forward and a second for an elite player.
nono


Of course packages matter, but we are solidifying our blue line, and we still have cap space
27 mar à 11 h 47
#7
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Quoting: MrDinkie
Of course packages matter, but we are solidifying our blue line, and we still have cap space


That blue line is not solidified, and there are other ways besides trading a potential 100 point player.
27 mar à 11 h 48
#8
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Quoting: Leafsfan34
Ok. We are gonna get a much better package than that for Marner. A rental and a second line forward and a second for an elite player.
nono


Who said David Savard needs to be a rental?
27 mar à 11 h 49
#9
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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
That blue line is not solidified, and there are other ways besides trading a potential 100 point player.


The other way is to sacrifice our depth pieces
27 mar à 11 h 50
#10
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Quoting: MrDinkie
The other way is to sacrifice our depth pieces


Gee, giving up depth guys or elite talent? Tough choice.
27 mar à 11 h 51
#11
Banni
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Quoting: MrDinkie
Who said David Savard needs to be a rental?


So how are you gonna sign Savard with 4mil in cap
27 mar à 11 h 52
#12
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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
Gee, giving up depth guys or elite talent? Tough choice.


Do an AGM, and I will take a look
27 mar à 11 h 52
#13
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the kid is 22 years years old, this is so stupid
27 mar à 11 h 55
#14
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Quoting: MrDinkie
Do an AGM, and I will take a look


Umm... okay. I'm not sure what that has to do with this though. You can find mine on the second page of AGM's, titled 'The Right Side'
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27 mar à 11 h 58
#15
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Columbus declines.... We have no need for more wings.... also why would Columbus consider moving its team leading goal scorer? Bjorkstrand would be the perfect guy to put with Marner... now we don’t have a great running mate for him. Also I’m not sure Columbus can afford Marners cap.... but if they could I’d rather look at a Bremstrom, Savard and a 1st for Marner.
27 mar à 12 h 05
#16
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Tbh I don't think Marner's contract is as bad as people say it is. Yeah, I know, $11M is a lot for someone who hasn't hit 30 goals yet. But this guy turns only 23 in May, he's led the team in points the previous two years, great leader, good two-way guy and plays on the penalty kill. The $11M will look better as the cap goes up and as he continues to develop. As of right now I think $9-10M is a good estimate of where his value is right now, at least on the Maple Leafs. I'm not a fan of his play or contract right now, but it's not the end of the world.
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27 mar à 12 h 06
#17
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Quoting: Ajp_18
Columbus declines.... We have no need for more wings.... also why would Columbus consider moving its team leading goal scorer? Bjorkstrand would be the perfect guy to put with Marner... now we don’t have a great running mate for him. Also I’m not sure Columbus can afford Marners cap.... but if they could I’d rather look at a Bremstrom, Savard and a 1st for Marner.


lol k.
You wouldnt trade a 20 goal scorer for Marner, good one.
27 mar à 12 h 14
#18
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
lol k.
You wouldnt trade a 20 goal scorer for Marner, good one.


I wasn’t saying that... I probably would... but here’s the thing... Bjorkstrand on the other side of Marner would be better then anyone else Columbus could put there.... that’s why I made a counter offer which might be better then Bjorkstrand.

Bremstrom, Savard and a 1st for Marner... along the same lines but an upgraded pick and Bremstrom who’s on his ELC.
27 mar à 12 h 19
#19
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Quoting: Ajp_18
I wasn’t saying that... I probably would... but here’s the thing... Bjorkstrand on the other side of Marner would be better then anyone else Columbus could put there.... that’s why I made a counter offer which might be better then Bjorkstrand.

Bremstrom, Savard and a 1st for Marner... along the same lines but an upgraded pick and Bremstrom who’s on his ELC.


how is that better? the original trade proposal was brutal for the leafs and a late 1st and a prospect no one outside of columbus has heard of doesnt change that.
27 mar à 12 h 23
#20
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
how is that better? the original trade proposal was brutal for the leafs and a late 1st and a prospect no one outside of columbus has heard of doesnt change that.


A 1st is still better then a 2nd especially a 2nd in 2022... and Bremstrom is on his ELC... he’s a 3rd line wing/center playing on an ELC. That helps Toronto cap situation and allows them to sign or even target better players. Instead of adding Thornton you could sign Haula as a 3rd line center... and shocker Toronto is a better and much deeper team.
27 mar à 12 h 28
#21
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Quoting: Ajp_18
A 1st is still better then a 2nd especially a 2nd in 2022... and Bremstrom is on his ELC... he’s a 3rd line wing/center playing on an ELC. That helps Toronto cap situation and allows them to sign or even target better players. Instead of adding Thornton you could sign Haula as a 3rd line center... and shocker Toronto is a better and much deeper team.


ok, cool. So you'd be willing to trade Seth Jones for Gauthier, Dermott and a 3rd? It helps the blue jackets cap situation and means they can sign bottom roster players to make themselves deeper and better!

oh wait, that would be dumb. You dont trade elite players for a smattering of pocket change so you can get "deeper". It's a crap narrative that never works.
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27 mar à 12 h 30
#22
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Quoting: Ajp_18
A 1st is still better then a 2nd especially a 2nd in 2022... and Bremstrom is on his ELC... he’s a 3rd line wing/center playing on an ELC. That helps Toronto cap situation and allows them to sign or even target better players. Instead of adding Thornton you could sign Haula as a 3rd line center... and shocker Toronto is a better and much deeper team.


3rd line is generous for Bemstrom, especially on the Leafs. We have a 3rd line center already, no need to overpay for another one in free agencey. This in no way makes the Leafs better or deeper.
27 mar à 12 h 33
#23
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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
3rd line is generous for Bemstrom, especially on the Leafs. We have a 3rd line center already, no need to overpay for another one in free agencey. This in no way makes the Leafs better or deeper.


Quoting: JaredOfLondon
ok, cool. So you'd be willing to trade Seth Jones for Gauthier, Dermott and a 3rd? It helps the blue jackets cap situation and means they can sign bottom roster players to make themselves deeper and better!

oh wait, that would be dumb. You dont trade elite players for a smattering of pocket change so you can get "deeper". It's a crap narrative that never works.


Thanks for being leaf fans... also there’s no way either team is making this trade... Columbus doesn’t want marners 11 mil cap hit because we can’t afford it without sending Wennberg or Dubinsky(not perma-LTIR eligible) back and Toronto isn’t dumb enough to trade Marner. Lmao you guys are jokes...
27 mar à 12 h 33
#24
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
You dont trade elite players for a smattering of pocket change so you can get "deeper". It's a crap narrative that never works.


Yes. The thing about depth players is that they need to actually be depth players and not play higher in the lineup than they should because you traded all your elite talent for the sake of depth. Depth comes from the top down.
27 mar à 12 h 38
#25
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Quoting: Ajp_18
Thanks for being leaf fans... also there’s no way either team is making this trade... Columbus doesn’t want marners 11 mil cap hit because we can’t afford it without sending Wennberg or Dubinsky(not perma-LTIR eligible) back and Toronto isn’t dumb enough to trade Marner. Lmao you guys are jokes...


if the cap stays flat, without changing anything or sending ANY salary back Columbus has 15.7 million in cap space. The proposed trade opens up another 7ish million. Columbus 100% makes this trade every day of the week because it's a hilarious steal for them. If they need to cut some more money elsehere, they do it after the fact and figure it out.
The Leafs dont do it because it would be horrific value for them.

good job on being not a leafs fan
 
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