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Based off the market - Labanc to Boston - Dillon to Carolina

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Équipe: 2019-20 Sharks de San Jose
Date de création initiale: 17 févr. 2020
Publié: 17 févr. 2020
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Obviously recent moves have change the scene slightly but not by a lot. I personally believe Dillon is going to move for a 2nd + B spec now, Labanc could fetch easy assets if he’s moves (I love him but we could really benefit), otherwise the rest of our trades won’t really change value wise.
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SJS
  1. Backes, David
  2. Studnicka, Jack
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (BOS)
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Can’t wait to be told this is crazy but honestly that’ll literally be insane imo. Backes would cost a 2nd +/whatever. Labanc would fetch a more then a first (more then Coleman confidently).
BOS
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  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (TOR)
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*San Jose receives a 2020 2nd (Carolina can choose) if Dillon resigns OR Carolina advances to the ECF with Dillon participating in 50% or more of their playoff games.*
CAR
  1. Dillon, Brenden (1 627 499 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (SJS)
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  2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2020 (OTT)
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SJS
  1. Ho-Sang, Joshua
  2. Komarov, Leo
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (NYI)
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  1. Karlsson, Melker (1 000 000 $ retained)
  2. Sörensen, Marcus
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NYI
    These trades hinge of Wilson manning up and buying out Jones in the offseason, he would need to commit to that now to makes these kinda moves.
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    17 févr. 2020 à 10 h 13
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    SJ giving up a 2020 2nd when they don't have their own 1st and that pick currently would be #37 overall? Yikes sounds about right.
    17 févr. 2020 à 10 h 14
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    Quoting: JayTea
    SJ giving up a 2020 2nd when they don't have their own 1st and that pick currently would be #37 overall? Yikes sounds about right.


    37 to get a pick that could be 16??? Yikes sounds about right for you
    17 févr. 2020 à 10 h 22
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    Lol, no. Keep Thornton and replace Studnicka with Lauko. Deal.

    Dont want JT. Zero use for him. Does not play for B’s. Just another Backes.

    Not trading Studnicka for anyone that is available.
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    37 to get a pick that could be 16??? Yikes sounds about right for you


    They'd offer up something else to avoid giving up that pick. Carolina would likely take a depth player SJ doesn't need.
    17 févr. 2020 à 10 h 23
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    Dillon trade is interesting. If Leafs don't make the playoffs or end up around 15th-20th you are getting about the value of a 25-27th over all pick (that would be the cost to move from 37th-16th.

    If they go deep in the playoffs and it ends up being like 28th you are getting essentially another 37th in value (the cost to move from 37th-28th.

    Seems like good value for a retained Dillon.
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    17 févr. 2020 à 10 h 26
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    Whats the news lately? Are they guaranteed sellers? With Hertl and Karlsson on LTIR, they have cap space if they wanted to acquire Sheary, Galchneyuk, etc
    17 févr. 2020 à 10 h 51
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    Lol, no. Keep Thornton and replace Studnicka with Lauko. Deal.

    Dont want JT. Zero use for him. Does not play for B’s. Just another Backes.

    Not trading Studnicka for anyone that is available.


    I wouldn't trade Lauko
    17 févr. 2020 à 11 h 31
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    Quoting: ON3M4N
    I wouldn't trade Lauko


    I know you wouldn’t. I would. If it means dumping Backes and adding a solid RW under team control. I’d prefer Seny but whatever gets it done. 🤷🏻‍♂️
    17 févr. 2020 à 11 h 36
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    Terrible deals for Us. Backes costs a first to move and Labanc can get a first+ middle six forward prospect by himself.

    Dillon deal isn’t horrible but it all depends where the leafs end up, and remember it’s a conditional pick so we could get screwed
    17 févr. 2020 à 11 h 56
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    Lol, no. Keep Thornton and replace Studnicka with Lauko. Deal.

    Dont want JT. Zero use for him. Does not play for B’s. Just another Backes.

    Not trading Studnicka for anyone that is available.


    Quoting: Gofnut999
    I know you wouldn’t. I would. If it means dumping Backes and adding a solid RW under team control. I’d prefer Seny but whatever gets it done. 🤷🏻‍♂️


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    Terrible deals for Us. Backes costs a first to move and Labanc can get a first+ middle six forward prospect by himself.

    Dillon deal isn’t horrible but it all depends where the leafs end up, and remember it’s a conditional pick so we could get screwed


    It’s crazy how stuck up some fans are on their prospects. Thornton isn’t bringing value he’s tossed. You cannot get a 23 year old nhl player for SENSHYN or however you spell it. Your basically asking the sharks to take a a cap dump for 31st overall and a bust OH AND THROW in Labanc. Like

    You are asking teams to take garbage. You have to give up quality it’s brutal how many bs fans are wanting quality without giving quality. That’s like me saying;

    Jake Debrusk for Sorensen Alex True and a first and saying it’s better
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    17 févr. 2020 à 12 h 9
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    It’s crazy how stuck up some fans are on their prospects. Thornton isn’t bringing value he’s tossed. You cannot get a 23 year old nhl player for SENSHYN or however you spell it. Your basically asking the sharks to take a a cap dump for 31st overall and a bust OH AND THROW in Labanc. Like

    You are asking teams to take garbage. You have to give up quality it’s brutal how many bs fans are wanting quality without giving quality. That’s like me saying;

    Jake Debrusk for Sorensen Alex True and a first and saying it’s better



    Which i was i said Lauko. Guess you don’t know who he is. B’s would not trade him and a 2nd for Labanc in a straight up deal.

    Asking for a 1st and prospect for Labanc would be like B’s asking that for Heinen.

    You have to get over this whole Backes cost a 1st because Marleu did. It’s not a thing. 🤷🏻‍♂️

    1st and Lauko is an overpayment for Labanc. Hence you are taking Backes, and another mid level piece. Otherwise its a 3rd and Lauko for Labanc.
    17 févr. 2020 à 12 h 25
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    Which i was i said Lauko. Guess you don’t know who he is. B’s would not trade him and a 2nd for Labanc in a straight up deal.

    Asking for a 1st and prospect for Labanc would be like B’s asking that for Heinen.

    You have to get over this whole Backes cost a 1st because Marleu did. It’s not a thing. 🤷🏻‍♂️

    1st and Lauko is an overpayment for Labanc. Hence you are taking Backes, and another mid level piece. Otherwise its a 3rd and Lauko for Labanc.


    I never even mentioned backes costing a first I don’t have to get over it as you do because marleau was not even mentioned if backes cost a first I would asked for more. As I didn’t and with benefit of the doubt made it more Boston favoured and basically tossed in backes to make it more appealing to the bruins. Second I do know Lauko and know that he doesn’t work. He’s not nhl ready and not really exciting as some people have him pegged low on the bruins prospect tiers. Third Labanc would cost more then a third plus a B prospect as that’s basically you I’ve only seen say that. That’s less then Dillon would fetch. Like not the same situation but we just saw a middle 6 forward go for Foote and a first? Lmfao. Labanc is a top6 bordline middle 6 on a stacked team like the bruins. And he’s 24 and has shown the prowess to put up 60+ points. This year whole teams been brutal and so his 30 Pts in 55 or whatever isn’t dog**** there’s a lot going on. So it’s laughable. Once again, I will counter with a (with similar numbers to Labanc), Debrusk for a 3rd and Dahlen. Sounds fair if we’re using your logic
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    nvm not worth the discussion TBH
    17 févr. 2020 à 12 h 30
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    It amazes me how you can't spell the guys name, but you're informed enough to call him a bust. I get it though, you looked up some stats real quick and made an educated guess without actually knowing anything about his development.


    I didn’t look him up I know him as he was picked if I recall correctly 2nd in the bruins 3 picks they had (atleast that’s my memory).

    I did not google him as personally it’s pretty well known it was a odd pick and it’s not like he’s terrible and I exaggerated.

    But it does relate to my point that it is not a quality prospect as to what it would cost for Labanc.

    It would be me offering a B/ C+ prospect like True and trying to sell him as a top prospect for us and that he would be for your team

    I’m not going to try to spell his name acting like I know how to spell as I clearly stated I didn’t

    Also now I googled it and he was their third pick so my bad sorry chief
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    I never even mentioned backes costing a first I don’t have to get over it as you do because marleau was not even mentioned if backes cost a first I would asked for more. As I didn’t and with benefit of the doubt made it more Boston favoured and basically tossed in backes to make it more appealing to the bruins. Second I do know Lauko and know that he doesn’t work. He’s not nhl ready and not really exciting as some people have him pegged low on the bruins prospect tiers. Third Labanc would cost more then a third plus a B prospect as that’s basically you I’ve only seen say that. That’s less then Dillon would fetch. Like not the same situation but we just saw a middle 6 forward go for Foote and a first? Lmfao. Labanc is a top6 bordline middle 6 on a stacked team like the bruins. And he’s 24 and has shown the prowess to put up 60+ points. This year whole teams been brutal and so his 30 Pts in 55 or whatever isn’t dog**** there’s a lot going on. So it’s laughable. Once again, I will counter with a (with similar numbers to Labanc), Debrusk for a 3rd and Dahlen. Sounds fair if we’re using your logic



    Labanc has averaged 14g and 44pts per 82 in his career. Debrusk has averaged 26.5 goals per 82. 31 per 82 in the last 2 years. So that is laughable as you say.

    Heinen, who i used as a Labanc comparison. 13g and 38 pts per 82. Same age, same type of game. No B’s fans would expect a 1st + for him.

    As to Coleman.. he has 21g and 166 hits. Built for playoff hockey. Made perfect sense for TB to overpay for him slightly. Kept him out of B’s hands. And possibly helps push the market up for others, a market they are likely done with now.
    17 févr. 2020 à 12 h 38
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    I didn’t look him up I know him as he was picked if I recall correctly 2nd in the bruins 3 picks they had (atleast that’s my memory).

    I did not google him as personally it’s pretty well known it was a odd pick and it’s not like he’s terrible and I exaggerated.

    But it does relate to my point that it is not a quality prospect as to what it would cost for Labanc.

    It would be me offering a B/ C+ prospect like True and trying to sell him as a top prospect for us and that he would be for your team

    I’m not going to try to spell his name acting like I know how to spell as I clearly stated I didn’t

    Also now I googled it and he was their third pick so my bad sorry chief


    Sooo then you admit to calling him a bust without any knowledge on him, outside of him being an off the board pick in a draft from 4 years ago. Got it! Enjoy Labanc, the guy is vastly overrated because of a single good season last year. Funny this year his production has dipped and SJ fans just say "well the team is bad." Sorry, but if this kid was as good as people say he is, his production wouldn't drop by nearly 25% just because the team is bad.
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    Labanc has averaged 14g and 44pts per 82 in his career. Debrusk has averaged 26.5 goals per 82. 31 per 82 in the last 2 years. So that is laughable as you say.

    Heinen, who i used as a Labanc comparison. 13g and 38 pts per 82. Same age, same type of game. No B’s fans would expect a 1st + for him.

    As to Coleman.. he has 21g and 166 hits. Built for playoff hockey. Made perfect sense for TB to overpay for him slightly. Kept him out of B’s hands. And possibly helps push the market up for others, a market they are likely done with now.


    I didn’t use Debrusk as a career comparison I was talking this year alone. I also did not discredit your Heinen comparison; I don’t have to agree with it but that doesn’t mean your wrong. I used Debrusk is at what 34pts? I think Labanc is at 30 flat? Down year for both of them I assume offensively. A little different as Debrusk is younger and less nhl experience and games if I’m correct by a large margin. But it’s the fact that you’d laugh off that offer just like doug Wilson would for labanc.
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    Quoting: Gofnut999
    Labanc has averaged 14g and 44pts per 82 in his career. Debrusk has averaged 26.5 goals per 82. 31 per 82 in the last 2 years. So that is laughable as you say.

    Heinen, who i used as a Labanc comparison. 13g and 38 pts per 82. Same age, same type of game. No B’s fans would expect a 1st + for him.

    As to Coleman.. he has 21g and 166 hits. Built for playoff hockey. Made perfect sense for TB to overpay for him slightly. Kept him out of B’s hands. And possibly helps push the market up for others, a market they are likely done with now.


    I maybe one of the bigger (maybe biggest) Hienen supporter here. If we could get a 1st+ for him, I'd personally deliver him to whatever team wanted him. Mode of transpiration doesn't matter, hell I'll carry him on my back across the country.
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    Sooo then you admit to calling him a bust without any knowledge on him, outside of him being an off the board pick in a draft from 4 years ago. Got it! Enjoy Labanc, the guy is vastly overrated because of a single good season last year. Funny this year his production has dipped and SJ fans just say "well the team is bad." Sorry, but if this kid was as good as people say he is, his production wouldn't drop by nearly 25% just because the team is bad.


    You’re assuming I have no knowledge? I’m not going to act like I’m super knowledgeable on a prospect that I actually am not? I’m going to say I have some knowledge. If you’re a bs fans I’m not going to say I’m more right then you, as to why I said I exaggerated. I didn’t say OH WELL I EXAGGERATED BUT HES STILL DOG**** LOL LABANC IS 1000% better.

    I said it relates to my point that it’s not worth Labanc and that he’s not terrible. Did I not say that?
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    Quoting: Gofnut999
    Labanc has averaged 14g and 44pts per 82 in his career. Debrusk has averaged 26.5 goals per 82. 31 per 82 in the last 2 years. So that is laughable as you say.

    Heinen, who i used as a Labanc comparison. 13g and 38 pts per 82. Same age, same type of game. No B’s fans would expect a 1st + for him.

    As to Coleman.. he has 21g and 166 hits. Built for playoff hockey. Made perfect sense for TB to overpay for him slightly. Kept him out of B’s hands. And possibly helps push the market up for others, a market they are likely done with now.



    I agree,Wilson should not even consider trading him and if he does he’s in the drivers seat as he does not have to move him.

    On the flip side. Go look at what Coyle, MoJo, Mark Stone, Kevin Fiala, Ryan Dzingel etc etc went for and then tell me with a straight face Labanc should go for more than them.
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    I agree,Wilson should not even consider trading him and if he does he’s in the drivers seat as he does not have to move him.

    On the flip side. Go look at what Coyle, MoJo, Mark Stone, Kevin Fiala, Ryan Dzingel etc etc went for and then tell me with a straight face Labanc should go for more than them.

    Yes but if I can also go find the 5/6 easy trades that’s completely terrible and fit my argument against you. It’s the nhl with 31 almost 32 different GMs. Me and you both can find teams that would overpay/ underpay for guys. We can find anything to help our trade arguments as to yes I briefly mentioned the Coleman trade but even than I’m using that based of this year current market and it shouldn’t even affect many other trades. Coleman trade can fit my argument and just say someone overpaid for a middle 6 guy so Labanc should get more but then I can argue against myself and say; well look at the hall trade, if Arizona flips him he’s going to get less then they gave up so if halls jumps on the TDL market (which he won’t I think) the Bs can give up less then they are giving here and boom they get a former MVP. I do agree for example on yes Labanc shouldnt get more then some of those guys but at the same time we’ve seen guys worse go for more then them. (Fiala= maybe Labanc should but that’s opinion and Dzingel is a toss), but for example Stone didn’t pull a first but he pulled a A+ prospect which is easily more valuable then a first + a B prospect (unless obviously in 4 years that first is a gem find like Aho at 2nd round).

    As to why if Labanc is moved it would need to be a move that’s worth it not potentially/ ah maybe worth it
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    that Boston trade is a yikes

    San Jose would never do that
     
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