I'd be surprised if Mikheyev takes that little on another one yr deal. I think he's showed enough to at least make Engvall money, if not more...

I don't think Muzzin takes 4 years. That puts him at 35 if he wants another contract, which reduces his value. I bet he'd take 2 and then hit UFA again.

Mikheyev gets more then that or goes back to Russia. Same problem they had with Zaitsev.

Truth of the matter is, whether Anaheim fans believe it or not, Josh Manson is NOT worth Johnsson AND Dermott, nevermind that extra stuff. These are 2 young NHL roster players, great speed from both, and both have displayed plenty of top-6 and top-4 potential, respectively. Josh Manson fits the Leafs well for obvious reasons, but he's not and will never be a top pairing guy, and I think people fail to understand that just because you'd slot Manson with Rielly, that doesn't make him more than what he actually is. So, even if the Leafs have to overpay for Manson. Johnsson and Dermott together in a deal for only Manson back, would be a pretty significant stretch. Never mind the fact that the Leafs probably could get better value for those players elsewhere.

Ducks pass, Mid six winger, an LD (we have an abundance of) and a prospect that will never be in the NHL with a third 2 years from now doesnt even move the needle for Manson



AJ is a mid six winger not anything more, we have no need for Dermott we are more than set at LD

This deal doesn't move the needle at all for the Ducks, both teams needs matter not just the leafs contrary to popular belief on this site

Just forget the whole Manson trade, so not worth it, Anaheim still thinks they're competitive (clearly they are not), send both or one of Johnsson or Dermott somewhere else for fair value, Sign Demelo for free at 3/4 x 5 years he's 2 years younger is better and costs nothing to aquire

Hes only played 39 games so far. I wouldn't bet on him coming back this season either so he wont be able to ask for that much.

It has nothing to do about being competitive, its about properly rebuilding and trading assets away for things we need, not things we have an abundance of

I know it’s his wrist which doesn’t affect his skating, but he has been skating which leads me to believe he will at least try to come back for the post season. 🤞🏼

Ducks dont really care if you think Manson isnt worth AJ and Dermott. Both of those players are useless in Anaheim. Johnsson is not better then Rakell or Silfverberg and probably wont be noticeably better then Comtois, Kase, Zegras, Terry, Tracey, Lundstrom. Dermott is certainly not better then Fowler or Lindholm and wont be noticeably better then Guhle, Larsson, Mahura, LaCombe.

I understand the concept, my point is Anaheim really needs everything except Top 4 LHD and a Starting Goalie, everything else is just meh. I don't see a trade out there that involves Manson or Rackell that takes Anaheim up a level, if they chose to move either player it's a re build move not a re tool move and IMO the needs become less of a concern and I'd want the best available deal overall over a specific need.

You're 50% correct, Johnsson won't be better than Rackell or Silfverberg (but he's close to Silfverberg) but he will be and is better than everything else you mentioned at the moment.
Dermott will not unseat Fowler or Lindholm but he could make them expendable assets that would bring in healthy quality returns. It's all about the goal here, pretty much everyone believes or thinks the best thing for Anaheim is a rebuild except Anaheim and their fans

Im not a fan of Anaheim lol. Screw the ducks, they can be bottom feeders for 6 years for all I care. However I am someone who despite not being a fan of a team can still see where their strengths and weaknesses are. I never said that those prospects the Ducks currently have are better or necessarily will be better (some will though like Zegras). I said the difference between them won't be noticeable by the time Anaheim is ready to compete again. The same way Johnsson is only really being shopped because the Leafs wont find a #2 defense available at under 1M for Mikhayev (who is essentially an unnoticeable difference from Johnsson).
As it's been stated many times, Anaheim's biggest hole is their RD depth there is a very high chance that if they draft in the 3-6 range this year they will take Drysdale. Trading their only viable right defenseman Manson without even getting a right defense prospect back but instead getting pieces back that you dont need is very very poor asset management

Engvalls only played 35 games and he got 1.25...what's your point Jack?

Mikhayev will get a Hyman contract 2,250,000 x 2 maybe 3 if Leafs are lucky

I agree, the trade proposed above doesn't get anything started, I'd be very surprised if Anaheim got anything close to their asking price unless of course some team needs a 2nd pair RHD and has 2 or more top RHD prospects that are 2 years out to spare along with the 1st rnder , I just don't see it, to be honest I'd be looking moving Rackell for help in RHD as he will get a top prospect or DeAngelo out of NYR then proceed toove Manson for the Middle Forward and late 1st he's worth

That he won't get much more then that. Engvall also isnt coming off a serious injury