This is hard because you included guys with term. So how does a Palmieri vs Kreider stack up since Palmieri has an extra year lol

Anyone with a "UFA-1" on their tile is not worth a 1st round pick this year. Zucker, Palmieri, AA, and Tatar are the only guys on this list that you could make an argument for a 1st in return value, IMO.

See and that's whats difficult for me to, because I see people posting Kreider trades for a 1st and good prospect when teams can probably get Zucker or Tatar with term for that and a lil bit more so wanted to see how people valued them

Zucker, Palms, Tatar, and maybe Coleman are the only guys I'd consider giving a first for (on here) though I wouldn't be mad if one of my teams gave a first for Toffoli or Gusev, I just think they can be had for less (sry OTT NYR and DET fans... I would not give a first for Kreider AA or JGP...)

AA isn't a rental

Yeah, i still wouldn't give a first for him, he had a career year last year, and every sign points to him never reaching close to that level again, he brings speed, which is useful, but that's about it

Got into a debate with a Det fan that was trying to convince me that he was more valuable then Trochek, Im not nearly that high on AA to even give up a 1st for him

How did Sissons get 7 years

Though I agree Trocheck is a better player. AA has two years of cost control and I really believe the injury he had at the start of the season never really healed and he was never 100%.

Would I give up a 1st for him but he is intriguing and needs to be watched over the next year and half.

I think these are the guys who can be traded with the first as the key asset:
-Tatar
-Zucker
-Kreider
-Palmieri
-Tierney
-Coleman

I think more importantly is, how many teams are willing to give up 1sts this year? That number is maybe 3-4 max IMO. Some guys above may be worth 1sts but might not get one just because there are so few teams willing to give up their 1sts.

An alternative to your question could be, how may of these guys are worth the equivalent of a 1st this year? That may be more pertinent because for example if the Habs don't get a 1st for Tatar, i'd be perfectly happy with an offer from Dallas of a guy like Harley.......... Doesn't have to be a 1st round pick.

People need to remember that Mark Stone got a top end prospect and an unconditional 2nd ( and a plug player) and none of those guys above is Mark Stone. Everyone over values their trade chips on this site - I will be amazed if any of the UFA's listed above bring in a first unless it is in the 26-30 range!

The Tatars Zuckers and Palimeris with term should fetch a 1st and b prospects or a top tier prospect and a 2nd or 3rd depending on prospect

You could argue that the UFA-1 guys if they were to resign with the team who gets them, the 2nd rounder (should they be worth that) gets moved to a 1st but it most likely wouldn't be for this years draft but in 2021.

I probably should've stated in my post that the guys I mentioned are worth a 1st or equivalent. It's much more a matter of who actually offers for the players and who is willing to give up assets to the acquire the player.



People need to remember that Mark Stone railroaded the Senators into a trade with Vegas. It's almost as if every NHL trade has some context behind it, and saying a list of players is worth a first is the "baseline" estimate for how much they would go for assuming reasonable demand.

All these players are productive forwards and teams that are looking to go deep into the playoffs; if several teams are offering for a certain player they will more than likely put their first up in the hopes that is within the 26-30.

i was thinking the same thing, also i would argue palmieri is worth more as point production is similar but palmieri scores more

right but brannstrom was the equivalent of a 1st+, meaning he is worth more than vegas's first. i agree with your whole point, just clarifying fetching a first is not equal to stones brannstrom ++

these guys could get a first

stone got more than a first in brannstrom, + a 2nd rounder, plus a plug

I'm very pumped that I see a lot of NJ in position to get a good amount back. And then reality sets in and I realize the devils are doomed