I'd be surprised if San Jose entertained any offers for Hertl that didn't include a first-round pick, but given Pittsburgh's current dire straits, maybe you wouldn't mind spending that 2020 first on him. It's not as if you're sure to get a better player than Hertl with that draft pick.

Jason Zucker should be available once he recovers from his own injury...

With all due respect to Hertl & Zucker, would rather the Pens trade for Marner. He’s better than both of them, honestly.

Here’s the team I made: https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1557374‬



‪What’d you think?‬

This isnt even close. Hertl talks start with your best prospect and a first. This is a first line center whos 26 we are talking about, not a slight upgrade on galchenyuk. My counter would be Samuel Poulin, your 2020 first, a second and Desmith.

You can't pay everyone right now. I can't remember if you paid Labanc or Meier, but the other one is going to want 5-6 mill per this offseason. Galchenyuk might be great for you guys, if not you let him walk and suddenly have the money needed.

Hertl has two years left on his deal after this one. He will expect another raise. While he is a unique player, he is currently - 20 on the season. That is a red flag. Hertl is not a superstar. He is a very good player, but no superstar. Poulin, a first, and a second would be the starting point for a superstar. A guy like Couture for you guys. I know he is the new franchise player, so I didn't entertain a deal for him.

I would add in Legare and a good d prospect for Hertl if necessary. Not Poulin and a first. You can add Desmith, I just don't know what teams want him and people get roasted for adding a good backup goalie.

Marner would take Poulin, multiple firsts.. Etc. He is not a realistic target. To the other comment.

Then why would sharks ever do this? If we are trading Hertl then we are full rebuilding and 26 year old flop Galchenyuk doesnt do that. I stand firm that if you want Hertl its going to cost your best prospect and a first+. Take a fun look at what Taylor Hall got, now notice that Hertl is younger, has more points, is a center and has multiple contract years.

if Hertl was available he can get a much better package than a struggling pending UFA, a prospect and a 2nd round pick
Yikes talk about Homer low balling trade

The fact that you are even comparing Hertl and Hall is laughable. Hertl is a very good player. But he is closer to Galchenyuk than Taylor Hall. Hall just won an MVP in 2018. Hertl played second and third line minutes most of his career.

Taylor Hall has averaged 0.86 points per game in his career and has an MVP season under his belt.

Hertl has averaged 0.62 points per game in his career.

Galchenyuk has averaged 0.61 points per game in his career.

I openly said it might take a pretty good prospect and Desmith as well. But it seems like I am closer to real value than you are if you are comparing Hertl with Hall.

San Jose is also in dire straits financially. They just let Pavelski walk for nothing. This gives them options, flexibility, a good draft pick, and potentially a good prospect. The Sharks are not going anywhere this year. They need to pay more guys this offseason. They can hope that Burns or Vlasic retire, but it is unlikely. If teams are trading a couple of prospects and two second rounders for P.K. Subban, I don't think they trade a couple of firsts and prospects for Hertl. The Pens now have the cap space to get Hertl and keep Galchenyuk, who seems to be turning a corner and will only get more opportunities now. I just think he has value and the Sharks might want to see if he fits their club, like the Kane deal.

so you are going to go career averages for points to value these guys? not recency bias where hertl just put up 77 points last year was killing it in the playoffs and is slightly under a point per game on a bad sharks team this year? not to mention his absolute STEAL of a contract. Sharks will not move hertl unless its a significant overpay. Labanc just got a 1 year 1m deal. he isnt playing as well as he did last year. hes going to have a roughly 40 point year which will not give him 5-6 mill per year in the offseason. especially as an rfa. it just wont happen. Is this team going to be kind of bad next year too, yes. Can they move one of their high priced dmen and get back some cap flexibility and some prospects absolutely.

P.K. subban is one of the most overrated players in the nhl. galchenyuk sucks. "turning a corner" this guy was supposed to be a top 6 center. he has 13 points in 30 games. now hes a middle 6 winger who might get you 50 points, he more than likely will not. you are overvaluing galchenyuk and undervaluing hertl.

Career averages are a better indicator. I'm guessing you don't know that the Pens have played Galchenyuk on the fourth line this year. There are games he barely sees the ice. Hertl is a big minute eater for the Sharks. So yes, Hertl is having a "good" year, but the Sharks are also minus 20 with him on the ice. Maybe the sign of a guy looking to get his points where he can and gamble because the team isn't playing well anyways. Galchenyuk still has 13 points with improper usage. I'm a Pens fan. I love Sullivan, but he just loves some guys and doesn't mesh with other guys. Galchenyuk seems to be one of them with his usage.

Yeah no, you clearly dont know the player. I would give you a comparison but Pit has no players like Hertl. Galchenyuk is worth little to nothing as a pending UFA with horrible points and play. When you want a 77 point player, it costs more than your scraps

For proof, I went and checked it. Chuk is averaging 12:32 a game, playing on lines with less talent. He has thirteen points. If you give him 18:37 a game, what Hertl plays, you can safely say he has 19 points this year. Now give him the lines that Hertl plays on. I'm not saying they are the same by any means, but Galchenyuk has value still. I added Simon, a second round pick, and a good prospect to even it out.

No you cant. If Galch could do what your saying, then Pit would be playing him there instead of trading for Hertl!

That just isn't true, Sullivan has players he just doesn't mesh with. He has others that he loves. He plays a guy like Simon on the top line all of the time over Rust, Hornqvist, etc. Because there is something about Simon he really likes.

He obviously has an issue with the style of play or the way Galchenyuk goes about his business. He had similar issues with Kessel. I'd love to play Galchenyuk on the top line now, I just know Sullivan won't do it. There are weird dynamics on every team, pure points don't tell the same story on different teams with different lines and different games. The Penguins compete almost every night. The Sharks are having trouble doing that. Easier for a big minute guy like Hertl to score when he is down three goals than Galchenyuk getting limited opportunities holding onto a one goal lead.

Right now, Hertl is a very prolific offensive player. I'm not saying you do a 1-1 with Galchenyuk or anything remotely close to that. I'm saying no one outside of San Jose would compare Hertl to Taylor Hall.

Well in terms of trade value, you should. Because no ones giving you great players for busts and seconds

again, Pittsburgh isnt the only team who could help them out. That package will get quickly out bid if they needed to move Hertl. Galchenyuk has no value right now, Friedman has said they have been trying to move him and no one wants him.

If you want Hertl you have to pry him away from the Sharks and out bid other teams.

they have been trying to trade Galchenyuk and no one wants him. The guy is living in a fantasy world when it comes to Galchenyuk

Oh I know. I dont think hes a lost cause but his value is net zero right now

I was talking with an Avs buddy and wondering about Hertl last night. With no 1st rounder and thinks looking grime with Sens owning it. What do the Sharks do, dont care and just try to get another 1st back and reload for next season? A goalie would go a long way to helping the sharks lessen the Sens pick. We thought a 1st, Jost, and Francouz could start a package but not sure if Jost is enough to tempt the sharks. 1st and Newhook probably gets a convo started

Heres the main issue, if the sharks are trading Hertl it means we go into full tank, so if thats the case Francouz isnt going to be useful to us. Id definitely consider a first and Newhook, but I think you would still need to add because that pick could very well be 31st or 30th which is pretty late.

yeah the sharks in a tough spot. Not sure what they do, cant worry about the pick, its gone. If they do just blow it up, I agree get as many top young assets as you can. Whats the vibe with the fan base? Blow it up?

No, I wouldnt say so. Sharks fans are used to being contenders so the longshot hopes are there. If we blow it up then this season is pointless, so most of us are holding out that we pull a blues