not even in the ball park.
Spare parts hiding behind some draft picks doesn't mean you are giving good value there. Quality over quantity

This isn't like chel where you can just add picks to a bunch of meh and get something great. Parayko costs Nylander

Nylander and a 2nd for parayko

how I did it was that I assumed the package of players was worth a first, then theres the first round pick, and then two seconds roughly equate to a first. I wouldn't give up much more than that for him, but I suppose St. Louis would be more in the market for nhl players over futures. They can't possibly have Faulk playing 3rd pair

Come on dude, Parayko would cost you Nylander and then some. Not spare parts.

Yeah this is really far off. You're asking them to give you their best defenseman in the long run (with Petro potentially becoming a UFA) and the guy you're giving them to replace him is CODY CECI?

This.

Ceci is a pending UFA and is one of the worst statistical Dmen in the league.....Bracco is an AHLer who hasn't been able to make the jump yet. and Hyman is a middle 6 forward. How does a collect of spare parts with some draft picks land you a top pairing Dman?

If you want to do a package deal, you are talking about including Johnsson, and a guy like Liljegren. Or Blues are getting Sandin as the prize piece.

back to back 40 point scoring workhorse who was on pace for 48 points plus a defensemen with a good chance of rebounding plus a prospect who is pretty well nhl ready and would crack most lineups (he'd probably play leafs 3rd line if he was a left wing). Add in a first and two seconds, honestly I think its decently close. Parayko might be worth a bit more, and I think st Louis is more interested in currently impactful picks and prospects. What if bracco was swapped out for kapanen?

Quality > quantity. They should be looking for one high end piece, not a handful of decent ones

Start with Nylander and add a bit

look I'm not saying it was totally fair. If you'd read my description I wanted thoughts on what might make it more fair. but don't disrespect Hyman and brace like that. Ceci- ok, but he has upside to turn around- I see your point tho. Hyman- workhorse, back to back 40 its, 20 goals last year, on pace to have 48 pts without injury. Bracco would make the leafs if they weren't loaded on the right side. Maybe if I took out bracco and added kapanen?

I gotta think it's Pietrangelo that's going. I gotta think they couldn't afford his demands so went for plan B

what about swapping bracco for kapanen

how can they do the captain that led them to the cup last spring like that tho

That doesn't do much. It has to start with a high quality piece

Because he's a pending UFA. If they don't resign him he walks...

[/quotequote=krakowitz;1100688]That doesn't do much. It has to start with a high quality piece[/quote]

how bout now

Its not disrespecting them, its what they are....dont pretend like they are more just bc they are on the leafs. Across the league that is who they are and they are not anything special compare to what other 29 other teams have on their roster and could offer. Dime a dozen pieces and a couple draft picks don't get you a top pairing Dman

For example Ask yourself, what does Bracco over the Blues that they already don't have Kostin, Kyrou, Foley fighting for Roster spots for a RW spot...Bracco is more of the same that the Blues have, he doesn't offer much in value bc hes not anything they don't already have in terms of RW depth making the team

It would cost Nylander + 2nd and a B prospect. Maybe even more. Parayko is a legit top pairing dman on a sick deal

ok maybe the trade is a bit skewed towards the leafs but don't tell me that I'm overvaluing these guys because they are leafs.
Bracco is older and more ready for the jump, and has far better stats then these guys
Bracco (AHL);
75gp
22g
57a
79pts

Kostin (AHL);
66gp
10g
14a
24pts

Kyrou (AHL):
is a center to start
and also on pace for 68 points in 75 games, less than bracco

Foley
a left winger in college to hard to compare, but they don't play same position

don't tell me bracco doesn't crack the roster over these guys, or at least have a very strong chance.

It Depends though, points don't tell the full story depending on what Role they are meant to play. I don't know much about Leafs/Blues needs in terms of playing style, roster weaknesses etc. My point is that when you say Bracco can't make it bc of RW log jam, the same could be for the Blues bc of their already roster depth, and what they might be looking for is not just be based on AHL scoring totals, esecpailyl when this isn't a top 6 scoring conversation

yes but the blues logjam is no Marner Nylander kapanen- he has as good a chance if not a better chance than all other candidates mentioned. on the leafs he has no chance of making it because of those guys

those guys aren't locks for Roster either....I think my point is getting a little lost here. Blues RW depth is Tarasenko, Perron, Thomas, Sundqvist (one of the best 4th liners in the league).. Bracco isn't making the roster so he is fighting guys to be call ups on the depth chart if there are injuries, so how is different from anything else they already have? Really its not

You aren't holding value in a trade for a healthy scratch or AHL call up, bc even on the Blues he would be what on the Leafs.

Parayko is worth WAAAAYYY more than Nylander. Nylander is a right winger who costs too much per year (like Phil Kessel), and who eats too much prosciutto, like Phil Kessel eats too many hot dogs, and whose performance is lackluster after he signed a new long-term contract, like Phil Kessel. ButParayko is a top pairing RHD in the making, which is inherently way more valuable that a 1RW.