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Créé par: MisstheWhalers

Équipe: 2019-20 Oilers d'Edmonton

Date de création initiale: 8 août 2019

Publié: 9 août 2019

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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So who needs to add?
Yes I think the Oilers are gonna need to carry three goalies.. Lol
Didn't want to trade Kassian, Gagner or Khaira but needed the cap space.
I think these are fair and realistic trades that make the Oilers better, yes trading Klefbom is a risky move given their feeble backend but keeping Klefbom and going with this forward group as is means they're STILL gonna SUCK so trade one of your few trade chips and hope Caleb Jones can get the job done in the top 4. Lehkonen is in the deal to make up for the difference in term between Tatar and Klefbom's contracts and Pulujarvi being a RFA and under the Habs control for at least 4 years, the Habs have plenty of good wingers and wing prospects, they can sacrifice a couple to solidify their defense. Kulak is in the trade cause he's basically been squeezed out by the addition of Klefbom and Chiarot so he's expendable and let's face it, the Oilers could use him.. Lol
Kassian is in there to make the money work for the Oilers, the Habs could use his size.
The Rangers trade is pretty self explanatory, the Rangers get cap space and a mid pick, the Oilers get a decent middle 6 winger and a late pick, Manning will likely be a healthy scratch in Hartford but it is what it is.. Lol
Ducks and King trades are freeing up some cap space and getting a 3rd goalie and a 4th line winger, picks could be added either way if necessary but felt they were fair as is.
I wanted to sign Ben Hutton but there's just no cap space.
I think these moves are realistic and make the Oilers better and work for all teams involved. I also think this would be the best way for the Oilers to get some value out of Pulujarvi, use him as a sweetener in a bigger trade, moving him in a one for one or for a pick isn't gonna help them much at all. This is how I'd make the lines.
Looking for opinions, are these fair trades? Who needs to add and what?
All opinions are welcome.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Puljujärvi, Jesse		1	1 100 000 $

Transactions

EDM

MTL

EDM

Namestnikov, Vladislav
Choix de 7e ronde en 2020 (VAN)

NYR

Manning, Brandon
Choix de 4e ronde en 2020 (EDM)

Détails additionnels:

Rangers bury Manning in the AHL, his cap hit is a little over a million when buried, like $2.9 million in cap savings for the Rangers.

EDM

Campbell, Jack
Choix de 4e ronde en 2021 (LAK)

Rachats de contrats

Andrej Sekera: 2 500 000 $
Benoit Pouliot: 1 333 333 $
Eric Gryba: 300 000 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Milan Lucic: 750 000 $ (12.5%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2020
2021
2022

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TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	81 500 000 $	78 364 999 $	0 $	1 840 000 $	3 135 001 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Tatar, Tomas 4 800 000 $4 800 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	McDavid, Connor 12 500 000 $12 500 000 $ C UFA - 7	Neal, James 5 750 000 $5 750 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 4
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ AG, C UFA - 2	Draisaitl, Leon 8 500 000 $8 500 000 $ C, AG UFA - 6	Namestnikov, Vladislav 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ AG, AD, C UFA - 1
Lehkonen, Artturi 2 400 000 $2 400 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Granlund, Markus 1 300 000 $1 300 000 $ AD, AG, C UFA - 1	Chiasson, Alex 2 150 000 $2 150 000 $ AD UFA - 2
Deslauriers, Nicolas 950 000 $950 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1		Archibald, Josh 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
Nygård, Joakim 925 000 $925 000 $ AG UFA - 1	Brodziak, Kyle 1 150 000 $1 150 000 $ C UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Nurse, Darnell 3 200 000 $3 200 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Benning, Matthew 1 900 000 $1 900 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Koskinen, Mikko 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 3
Jones, Caleb 720 000 $720 000 $ (70 000 $$70K) DG/DD UFA - 1	Larsson, Adam 4 166 666 $4 166 666 $ DD UFA - 2	Smith, Mike 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ (1 750 000 $$2M) G NTC UFA - 1
	Russell, Kris 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2	Campbell, Jack 675 000 $675 000 $ G UFA - 1
Kulak, Brett 925 000 $925 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 3	Bear, Ethan 720 000 $720 000 $ (20 000 $$20K) DD UFA - 1

9 août 2019 à 20 h 15

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Hard no from the Kings.

9 août 2019 à 20 h 21

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Nyr say no and the montreal trade makes the Oilers worse

9 août 2019 à 20 h 30

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Quoting: tkecanuck341

Hard no from the Kings.

A hard no, yeah cause its such a huge trade.. Lol

9 août 2019 à 20 h 32

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Yeah, we'll take Gagner off your hands if he comes with a first . . . otherwise, forget it. At this stage, he's a pure cap dump and would occupy a roster slot better spent on a prospect or else go straight to San Diego and stay there, in which case, why acquire him?

9 août 2019 à 20 h 35

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Quoting: OldNYIfan

Idk, he's a 30 point player, could dump him for a pick at the TDL.
Sorry but a 1st is too much for a cap dump of $3.1M, thought about sending a pick with Gagner but then the Oilers fans would lose it saying I'm mortgaging the future or something to that effect.. Lol

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9 août 2019 à 20 h 37

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The Habs trade is intriguing.

While I agree that the Habs could use a bit more size, I can't see Kassian going back to MTL. It was a fiasco the first time and I can't see Bergevin wanting to retread that path.

As for strength on the wing I agree but you just took a pretty decent chunk out of it. I'd prefer to wait till we know that the prospects are ready before moving anyone.

All in all I feel this was a well thought out trade and certainly would make the Habs brass think hard about their answer. I would only remove Kassian and Kulak from the trade. Otherwise good job overall.

9 août 2019 à 20 h 40

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Quoting: MisstheWhalers

He won't be a 30-point player behind Rakell, Comtois, Ritchie and Shore.

Oh, wait a minute, he's a rightie, correct? Okay, he won't be a 30-point player behind Kase, Silfverberg, Terry and Sprong.

9 août 2019 à 20 h 42

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Montreal says no. Tatar vs Klefbom is a 50/50 toss up, Tatar is a reliable over 50 point winger, add him to Draistle or McDavid and you have a 60 point winger, Klefbom could be a top pairing dman but he might be that for only 60 games s year, so I think Kelfbom has more value but isnt by much. Pool Party for Lehkonen is a win for Edmonton, Pool Party doesnt want to play in Edmonton, hasnt shown he can keep up, I know he is going to be healthy for the first time but so far Lehkonen has been the better player and has shown that if he improves his shooting percentage he can become a reliable 20 goal winger. This us the hinge on the whole trade though, Kassian and Kulak, Kassian has 0 value. Kulak played in the top 4 last season and thrived with Petry. Kulaks value is quite high to MTL right now, he is young enough to improve and has the contract to prove it.

So MTL says no

9 août 2019 à 20 h 48

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Quoting: MisstheWhalers

A hard no, yeah cause its such a huge trade.. Lol

Campbell was the single best backup goaltender in the NHL last season while playing on the 2nd worst team in the league. He was top 3 in all statistical categories. He also has a league minimum contract. You want the Kings to trade him for a 4th line player AND add a draft pick? Get real.

If the Oilers want Campbell, it will cost them a 2nd round pick. No more, no less. If they want the Kings to take back a cap dump, upgrade the pick to a 1st or include a prospect.

9 août 2019 à 20 h 49

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Thanks for your input and thought out response.

Just figured Kulak was pretty much squeezed out if this trade happened and the Oilers could use him(most Habs fans speak highly of him and doubt you'd want to trade Mete) but yeah if Kassian was a no go then either scrap that whole part of the trade or insert another low cost Oiler going to the Habs, perhaps I should've just sent Khaira plus an easy buried contract like Jurco to the Habs instead of Kassian.

9 août 2019 à 20 h 51

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Quoting: Subbanator7667

I don't think you get it but I don't feel like explaining it.

9 août 2019 à 20 h 54

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Quoting: Jack_

Nyr say no and the montreal trade makes the Oilers worse

Yeah cause adding two solid wingers makes the Oilers worse and if the Rangers could get more for Namestnikov it would've happened already.

9 août 2019 à 20 h 56

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Quoting: tkecanuck341

Goalies don't get traded much, he's a UFA and the Kings have Quick and Peterson, really doubt he's worth a 2nd and Khaira isn't a cap dump.

9 août 2019 à 21 h 2

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Quoting: MisstheWhalers

Goalies don't get traded much, he's a UFA and the Kings have Quick and Peterson, really doubt he's worth a 2nd and Khaira isn't a cap dump.

He's a UFA next summer, not now. For cash strapped team that is looking for goaltending help, he is absolutely worth a 2nd. Not to mention that if they're going to trade him within the division, they're going to charge a premium.

Khaira might not be a cap dump to some teams, but he is to LA. The Kings have a logjam at bottom six forward. He's not an improvement over anyone the Kings already have, so they have no reason to trade for him other than helping out Edmonton's cap situation.

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Why does everyone value Tatar so highly lol. I think you could get something better for Klefbom as he has like actual value than that trade

9 août 2019 à 21 h 28

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Quoting: MisstheWhalers

Yeah cause adding two solid wingers makes the Oilers worse and if the Rangers could get more for Namestnikov it would've happened already.

Now the defense is worse then it already is, you gave up a prospect who should get more and an ok 4th line winger for a fringe 3rd pair guy, and two wingers who should play on the second line at best.

9 août 2019 à 21 h 38

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Quoting: Jack_

You're not getting anything better then that for Pulujarvi at this point, did he get 10 points this past season? And even if he goes to Europe and lights it up the most they'd get would be a 2nd and a B prospect which doesn't help them now.

Those two wingers are miles ahead better then what they have but hey if they want to hope that Nygard guy, Tomas Jurco or Yamamoto suddenly become top 6 wingers then so be it.. Lol

Like I said in my explanation, yes the defense takes a hit but keeping Klefbom and not improving the forwards will keep them just as bad as they were so what's the difference, take a risk and make a move to get better up front.

9 août 2019 à 21 h 40

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Quoting: MisstheWhalers

They are pretty much ****ed no matter what they do. They are digging holes trying to fill up other ones. They cant really move any bad contracts and there arnt any FA's left. Poor McDavid

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Why does everyone value Tatar so highly lol. I think you could get something better for Klefbom as he has like actual value than that trade

Cause Tatar is good that's why, he did well in Montreal and I bet he'd fit in excellent on one of Edmonton's top two lines, he's what they need.
So then what could they get for Klefbom that'd be so much better then Tatar?

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Quoting: MisstheWhalers

Lol wait till tdl and see or even now there’s options. As people said keeping Klefbom is probably safer/ better. But I see potential a trade and extend with Hoffman being already way better than Tatar. Not that Hoffman’s on the move or would extend but than again Tatar is similar. Hoffman is way ahead of Tatar. Or if Columbus has fallen at TDL they could sell a asset or two that’s way younger than tatar. Or if you as mentioned and see LA, ANA, Chris Kreider, etc at TDL / early season. I mean Klefbom > Tatar in value and he could get a better asset in the end, I’d want Klefbom on my team.

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Quoting: Jack_

They are pretty much ****ed no matter what they do. They are digging holes trying to fill up other ones. They cant really move any bad contracts and there arnt any FA's left. Poor McDavid

Sure but is treading water and doing nothing any better?
Like everyone keeps saying that if they don't do something to get better McDavid is gonna want out but then they also say we can't trade this guy or that guy cause he's too important but also can't trade picks or prospects cause that's no good for the future, well I'm sorry but none of that solves anything now and staggering along doing nothing isn't gonna give McDavid or the fanbase any hope that this franchise even wants to get better.

Waiting around hoping that every prospect in the organization can step in and contribute will take too long, imo they need to do something and do it now but I think it's probably too late and most teams are done tinkering with their lineups, the Oilers better hope Neal has the most epic bounce back season ever.

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9 août 2019 à 21 h 57

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Wait for the TDL? If the Oilers wait till the TDL to find a winger it ain't gonna matter..?
Kreider is not signing in Edmonton.
And Florida isn't trading Hoffman, they want to make the playoffs. Also trading four years of Klefbom for the guys you suggested who would likely not sign in Edmonton would be like the dumbest asset management ever, that's why I included Lehkonen, cause he's a controlled asset/RFA and Tatar has two years left to Klefbom's four, ya know that's better then trading Klefbom for UFA's right? lol
Keeping Klefbom and not improving the top 6 winger situation isn't safer/better, it's doing exactly what they did last season but hey, that seems like the goal so have at it I guess.

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Quoting: OldNYIfan

He won't be a 30-point player behind Rakell, Comtois, Ritchie and Shore.

Oh, wait a minute, he's a rightie, correct? Okay, he won't be a 30-point player behind Kase, Silfverberg, Terry and Sprong.

That's true, guess the Ducks weren't the right team to send Gagner to.

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Quoting: tkecanuck341

I really wasn't sure what the value of Campbell would be but yeah I get your point.

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Quoting: MisstheWhalers

If you could read, I said a trade and extend, something that wouldn’t be done without an extension. You know that’s better than worse assets right lol? Anyways this is all ifs if you could read again. Or even trade him for Rust + additional assets, maybe Klefbom for Rust + Simon and maybe more I’m not to sure on a pens view on this trade example. But I’d rather Rust and Simon more than Tatar rebounded last year, for all we know it was a one off. And I said early season as well lol, it’s like you only saw what you wanted to see. Sometimes patience is better than a quick jump of the gun, make small moves now and see where teams are at 20 games in and if EDM is even 9-8-1 they are by no means out of the playoffs. I wouldn’t choose to wait till TDL but Klefbom once again as I’ve stated can grab more, because you added JP and kassian, I even tho I think negatively of JP I think you could even trade JP + a like 4th for Rust as I’ve seen pens fans like that trade, that gives you a winger for Mcdavid and not trading Klefbom. Lol so now even scratch my idea of trading Klefbom for Rust cause you already have him and not you can maybe be .500 or just above .600 and still in WC contending and by TDL boom now you can use your weird idea of trading Klefbom. Like I would love to see the oilers fail and not have to deal with them but Klefbom could grab more from many other teams than Tatar

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