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If we trade Kappy I would want Pesce most likely

I honestly believe that if the Hurricanes want Kapanen, it has to be a bigger trade. I think the Leafs would be looking to do something like Kapanen + Zaitsev for a RHD or something along those lines. I don't see Dubas being one to trade a piece away for just futures, and if the Leafs move Kapanen, they have to be shedding money somehow

I'd say Pesce, but Carolina will probably have to take on Zaitsev too, so it kinda blurs things. Given the fact that cap hits don't change too much, maybe that trade could go through on its own, but I doubt it

theres several comments saying Pesce, but did Kasperi Kapanen suddenly become a surefire 60pt winger and i just completely missed it?

Less than any leafs fan will tell you he is

I think kappy would be an amazing fit on the hurricanes, but he's definitely not worth pesce.

"Less than any leafs fan will tell you he is" - Great insight
As a Leafs fan, notice that I put ????. I'm asking what his worth from fans of the non-Leafs variety, specifically from the Hurricanes where I believe there is a special circumstance with his Dad and they're current play-off picture.

I don't see any deal this season but good chance for a deal in the summer. I really don't think Kapanen is the player the Leafs would trade because they need to trade bigger cap to be moved.
Nylander and is his front loaded contract is better choice for the Leafs and without cap being returned to the Leafs. Nylander $$$$ payout is about 4.6m per year starting next season, nice for cash conscious team that won't spend to the cap anyways.

What do you think Kapanen is worth then? It's not going to be futures or a bottom pairing Dman

Yeah and I hate honking the offer sheet horn because it’s overused, but you could easily offer sheet Kapanen 4 million over 3-5 years and give up a second. If hat doesn’t go through, try Johnsson, who I’d rather over Kapanen at this point. He’ll be cheaper and the Leafs absolutely won’t match. He’s scoring almost as much in a much more limited role.

Van Riemsdyk half retained and a second. That’s the only realistic small trade involving Kappy. Faulk retained for Kappy and a pick is realistic. Also Pesce for Kappy, Zaitsev, and a second plus maybe a C prospect or pick is realistic as well. Brown, McGinn, and Johnsson could also be involved.

Pesce isn't worth a 60 pt sure fire winger. Pesce is a solid, solid defenseman. He should be able to get a Top 6 forward and mid to late pick. But a 60 point winger is a low level 1st line player.

some examples of 60+ point wingers last year (Rakell (69), Huberdeau (69), David Perron (66), Tarasenko (66), Dadonov (65), Point (not a winger, but still an elite forward (66 points)).

Some players that I think would fit the bill for the Canes for Pesce
JVR (54 pts, 81 games, tall, chippy Top 6 winger)
Zuccarello (53 points in 80 games, small, I believe he is fast, may need a conditional pick if Zucc doesn't resign, + a mid to late rounder regardless)
Sam Reinhart (50 points, big bulky kid, can shoot and pass)
Anthony Mantha (48 points, has good size, could use a fresh atmosphere)

Kapanen is on pace for 47 points. So he may need a mid-late pick to sweeten the deal. Kappy brings the speed and some physicality (its little, but he has a couple grindy games).

just offer sheet him and give up a 2nd round pick

He's not worth a top 4dman. best case scenario the leafs trade him for picks because anyone can just offersheet him over 4M for just a 2nd round pick

if you're carolina, why would you trade the most sought after commodity in the NHL for a 45pt winger??? defensemen are more valuable than wingers so a low end top line winger (60pts this year isnt the same as last year either) should be the minimum for Pesce, not an average middle six winger.

Why would the Leafs want picks? If anything they would trade brown so they could match

good luck with that man

Pesce is not the most sought after commodity. Just because he plays defence and his sips his coffee with his right hand doesn't catapult his status. A solid defensive d-man that can play 20min and put up a modest 40pts is worth a big haul. Pesce has never...nor is he ever expected to...be a guy that will offer up more than 20-25pts. It's a different category IMO. The Shea Weber's and Vlassic's of the world are a rung above....and the Karlsson's, Doughty's, Burn's...Right handed d men that can put up 60+ are the elite.

I'd say Kapanen and Pesce are very similar in what roles they play for their teams...what they currently provide...and what their potential to still achieve is. I'll certainly grant that a top 4 d-man is a tougher player to obtain than a top 4 winger...so leafs likely need to add....but IMO it's not a major piece.

I'll also gladly wager with anyone that Kapanen doesn't leave the leafs via an offer sheet for a 2nd round pick. There's too many other avenues the leafs would travel before they let that happen...so if you think that lowers his value I don't buy it.

Anyone who's been watching leaf games regularly can see very clearly that Kapanen is consistently one of the hardest competitors each night and is generating offensive opportunities almost every shift. He's also lethal on the PK. I think he'd leave a big hole on the roster if he was traded...but the leafs have substantial depth at RW and a glaring need for a top 4 RHD

Admittedly....anyone who watched Carolina games regularly can acknowledge that Pesce is a lot more than a 20pt defensive d-man....he has an amazing ability to make scoring chances disappear for the opposition. I think he'd leave a big hole on their roster if he was traded...but hte Canes have substantial depth at RD and they're also trying to convince Adam Fox to ditch Harvard next year to sign with them...a sales pitch that is a lot easier if there's an open spot on the roster for him to compete for. It's well known the Canes have a glaring need for top 6 scoring.

So...you have two teams with two valuable players and rosters with opposite needs/depth. They match up very well as trade partners.

Do the leafs need to make moves for cap purposes? Absolutely. But this new Canes owner is also going to be putting pressure on this team to start cracking the playoffs asap...so I don't think one side will be any more desperate than the other.

If it's me...I do Kapanen + a mid pick for Pesce and if they don't like it you move on

How about if you just get nothing more than a 2nd rounder instead when he gets offer sheeted this summer? Cant wait for that to happen to one of your guys.

then move on somewhere else and hope he doesnt get offersheeted for a price you cant match.