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Forum: Armchair-GM12 juin 2020 à 9 h 25
Sujet: Dream Sequence
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Terry_AkiSauce</b></div><div>Nah not taking a jab, obviously Nylander is a lot better this year but its still funny to see how people change their thoughts on players so quickly. Its more of a change of how people view Manson, I think he didn't have a great year and now everyone is saying hes a bottom four guy but last year he was viewed as a definitive top pair guy</div></div>

"Meh"...Manson has struggled the past couple seasons, but so has the team. I don't know why he's constantly put under the spotlight (TOR fans want him cheap I guess). Of course he's going to look worse when no offence is being generated and he's constantly under pressure from the league's best. He's not an elite top pairing D-man so of course he's going to struggle. That doesn't mean he's bad. Even Lindholm has looked pretty shoddy at times this past season. Kind of like saying XX player on the Blues sucked last season, but then they go on a win streak and get the cup. Players tend to fall out of sync a lot easier than they get in sync with each other. ANA is just at the bottom of a downturn, but they'll soon start climbing back up. The issue is whether Manson will be too old once we've recovered. I think there is an argument to move him on those grounds, but not at some bottom rate just because the team is bad right now. His skill and skating ability hasn't changed, he's just making poor decisions under pressure and in a new system under new coach. I see no reason why he wouldn't thrive again in a better environment on a team at their peak. The guy is 28, not 33, not even close to declining.
Forum: Armchair-GM12 juin 2020 à 9 h 13
Sujet: Rakell to CAR
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ON3M4N</b></div><div>Kase just needs to stay healthy. Ritchie is just to slow and has a low hockey IQ. Could make for a serviceable 4th liner imo. I would have thought we learned our less when we signed his brother Brett....but nope lol</div></div>

Agreed, I don't think Ritchie is a downgrade on Heinen or anything, just a different skillset. Both are middle 6ers IMO, but you get a little more skill and utility in Heinen vs. the physical presence of Ritchie. I probably had a longer leash on Ritchie than most, but the NHL has just evolved beyond his capabilities.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Salzy</b></div><div>Timmins has become a driving force in the AHL, showing some dynamic elements and consistently making plays. The only real hole in his game at this point might be that he doesn’t have the hardest shot in the world. And on the scale of things that matter to me for a defenceman these days, a threatening shot is near the bottom of the list. Otherwise, he’s 6-foot-2, he has begun to fill out, he’s a smooth skater who will get more powerful as he gets even stronger, he’s got NHL hands for his size, he’s a superb outlet and seam passer and he has always been a mature defender for his age, demonstrating an impressive ability to read the play and pick his spots.

Yeah concussions could be an issue but he is a player with a very high ceiling imo, I would take him and a first in a heartbeat for Rakell</div></div>

Fair enough, but this is all at the AHL level. IMO, D-men suffer the most from the jump to the NHL. We've seen that with Larsson and Mahura of late. I mean, I've seem Timmins and he looks reasonable at the AHL level, but nothing special and he hasn't progressed that much either. Kind of similar to Montour, but without the shot and less vocal with his teammates. I just don't understand why he's viewed so highly. Again, at best, he's got top 4 potential. However, he's not a bluechipper so the likelihood of that isn't exactly high. I see no reason to move a 1st line winger on a sweetheart contract for him and a late 1st. Makes no sense to me. If COL wants Rakell, I'd be demanding Alex Newhook+.
Forum: Armchair-GM11 juin 2020 à 18 h 35
Sujet: Rakell to CAR
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Salzy</b></div><div>He plays both, though I prefer he plays on the left and ideally opposite of Silf, if it were my choice those two would always play together. Rakell plays better on the left. I would only move Rakell for a package of a good young RHD prospect and a first (Timmins and COL 1st) is a deal I've seen tossed around on here I really like

Yeah I dont see BOS having the pieces ANA would want in a Rakell deal (Well, I should say realistic pieces)</div></div>

Can someone explain what is the hype around Timmins? I see him listed alongside a 1st in deals for Rakell all the time and I just don't see why he's so highly-regarded. He's an early second rounder, but I don't see anything special. At best he's got top 4 potential, but comes with prior concussion too. IMO, we really don't need more players susceptible to brain injuries (Depres, Kase).

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ON3M4N</b></div><div>Two different deals. It was:

Heinen for Ritchie

Kase for Backes + Axelsson + 1st

I have hope for Kase, but Ritchie is meh</div></div>

Yeah, Kase is a firecracker. That was a good deal for you guys. Hopefully your big boys can protect him from anymore concussions.

Ritchie is "meh". I have no concerns about him being a big game player in BOS. Good size and happy to get into those tough areas, but his skating isn't good enough for the modern NHL and he's too dumb to anticipate the play.
Forum: Armchair-GM11 juin 2020 à 18 h 21
Sujet: Dream Sequence
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Terry_AkiSauce</b></div><div>I love how this time last year, a Leafs trade for Manson was Nylander, now its Manson+ for Kapanen</div></div>

I can't tell if you're taking a jab or making a genuine observation. Just in case its the former, let's not pretend like 2020 Nylander = 2019 Nylander. Kid was a cap dump this time last year. FWIW, I wouldn't do that KK for Manson deal. I'd want Liljegren+ if we're moving Manson.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Boggsauce</b></div><div>Don’t understand why you trade Weegar for Rakell, then Kapanen for Manson. Seems like a wash to me, maybe even a downgrade. Just draft high and sign DeMelo if you want</div></div>

Surely Laf makes Rakell kind of redundant? Kid will probably score 30+ this coming season. Moreover, its not like Rakell can slot into that 2LW with Comtois/Milano expected to secure that position in the not too distant future. It would depend on what's available, but if we get Laf, I'd like to see Rakell moved to the RW (not holding my breathe on success with him there) or traded for help at RD. I'd personally try and go younger than Weegar, likely taking a bigger risk on a prospect (depending on availability of course).

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheJoeMan</b></div><div>Seconded, signed a Ducks fan.

Sure we need another top-4 D-man, preferably a RHD, but there's really no reason to cut bait on Manson. Kapanen produces as much as Ricky but without the same potential. If we're going to be moving Ricky and Lars we might as well pair them up to acquire a quality d-man as well as retain Manson if we intend to improve rather than making moves for the sake of making them.</div></div>

The signing of DeMelo is fine as it's only a cash investment. However, if you're giving away assets to bring in another roster D-man, you've gotta move Manson. There is the expansion draft to consider. Can't protect them all. Personally, I'd prefer moving Manson for a RD prospect or just keeping him and hoping he turns it around. I'd be happy going into the draft with Lindholm, Fowler and Manson as our top 3 and leaving Gudbranson exposed.

As OldNYIfan said, the acquisition of KK was to balance LW and RW. RW is likely to remain a weak point for us though, unless Terry gains 30 lbs and starts making smarter plays.
Forum: Armchair-GM5 juin 2020 à 13 h 12
Sujet: Retooling the Ducks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>firezfurx</b></div><div>Most leafs fans don't read advanced stats and like grit more then anything else. But even you have to admit that trading a mediocre 2nd pairing defense men (call him what he is) for a 3.2 winger who would instantly be your 1RW at the age of 23 is a little lopsided to say the least...</div></div>

Surely you have to admit that trading a winger who benefits from playing alongside JT and Marner and still only produced 13 goals last season on a powerhouse TOR side for a solid 2nd pairing RH D-man who has size, skating, grit, throws the body and is a locker leader is a little lopsided too say the least... we can all play that game buddy!

KK doesn't sniff our best RW. Silf had 21 goals on an anaemic ANA team, while KK can't even score on a powerhouse team playing alongside some of the best players in the league. We'll keep our "mediocre 2nd pairing D-man" thank you very much.
Forum: Armchair-GM5 juin 2020 à 13 h 4
Sujet: Full Rebuild in the Duck Pond
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>I didn't figure he would be for the Ducks considering general replies on here consist of 'we don't need him' when he's traded there. My point was that <em>if</em> Dermott needed to be included in the deal along with Liljegren +2nd, it's too high a price for the Leafs, imo. And considering the consensus that he doesn't need to be included for the Ducks to do the deal, I was curious why include him at all.</div></div>

As a NYR fan, I assume the OP isn't completely up-to-date on the previous goings-on in ANA-TOR trade threads.

Our need is for a young prospect like Liljegren if we're going to move Manson. Adding Dermott in addition as a roster player would be nice, but I very much doubt he'd be the main piece in a deal for Manson. I assume most of the threads you're referring to were Dermott+ for Manson and no Liljegren. Liljegren + 2nd for Manson is a good offer and one I am sure ANA strongly considers.
Forum: Armchair-GM5 juin 2020 à 3 h 11
Sujet: Full Rebuild in the Duck Pond
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DomCholette</b></div><div>Hey man... all of your trade are TOO MUCH on Anaheim side!
One year of Getz would get you a A-Prospect +2x2nd...
Same with Lindholm... OUTCH! Lunkvist &amp; Robertson should have a big role starting next season... +1st!
Rakell is the closest one but again you select the a BlueChip + 1st (some team would pay this as Rakell as a very low salary point for cash)
Henrique would get you Montour alone or Hutton alone... or Johansen+2nd MAX... NOT ALL!</div></div>

The Lindholm deal is fine. Lundkvist + 1st for Lindholm is the price you pay for a top pairing defensively elite D-man. I assume Robertson is there because we're taking Staal on as a dump. I've seen another deal where it is Andersson + DeAngelo + Lundkvist + 1st. FWIW, I'd also do that deal too.

IMO Lindholm would be perfect in NYR, where the system seems to be to heavily weight minutes in zones based on skillset e.g. as an offensive D-man, DeAngelo gets a stupid amount of offensive starts and pretty much all PP time. Lindholm excels in defensive situations and could comfortably eat the big defensive minutes that Trouba really isn't suited for (and Skjei couldn't handle either). Lindholm's addition would also allow NYR to get more out of Trouba, who is really more offensively-gifted than he's allowed to be in his current role.

IMO, with the rise of Zibby as a legit 1C and the addition of Panarin, I really don't think NYR is that far off. It is literally that LHD side that looks so weak. You could also use a better 2C.
Forum: Armchair-GM5 juin 2020 à 2 h 56
Sujet: Full Rebuild in the Duck Pond
I'd do the top 3 deals. Although I am not a massive fan of the COL deal. However, that does seem to be Rakell's going rate.

Getzlaf stays for me and I doubt we'd take back Montour. Murray really didn't like him. Moreover, we need some veteran leaders and Henrique has deep playoff experience, he's also incredibly versatile and a good role model.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>I'm not interested in trying to tear players down, but the fact of the matter is that Manson's play over the last couple of years doesn't justify this return. Again, I'm a fan of his, and I think he'd fit in well with the Leafs, but this is more than they gave for Muzzin, who is the superior player. I wouldn't hate an offer of Liljegren + 2nd.</div></div>

If ANA secured Lundkvist from NYR in exchange for Lindholm, I would think Liljegren + 2nd for Manson would be a very strong offer. In this scenario, I don't think Dermot is make or break either.
Forum: Armchair-GM5 juin 2020 à 2 h 49
Sujet: Retooling the Ducks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>Trading 7 veteran regulars is too much turnover -- that's not a re-tooling, it's a complete reconstruction. We'd only have Fowler and the expiring Gudbranson left from our core. John Gibson deserves better. Plus, you're only getting 6 regulars back, and two of them (Bennett and Johansson) are less than earthshaking. As to the actual trades:

Rakell = Timmins plus the first

Manson = Kapanen plus the second

No need for the Getzlaf trade, and he wouldn't waive anyway even if we asked him to, which we wouldn't

If we only made one trade this off-season, I'd choose the Rangers one

I don't think the return from the Buffalo trade is worth losing two of our top 6 forwards

I'd offer De Melo $4 million for 5 years

Sherwood didn't make any impression in his 10-game audition in the NHL this season, so I don't see him getting a 40% raise</div></div>

This.

Rakell deal = seems very risky on our end. Timmins isn't a bluechip prospect IMO and the 1st is going to be mid-to-late round. Would rather do the Bear + 1st (more proven) for Rakell deal with EDM. Although, I'd prefer just hold onto him. I think Rakell is getting criminally undervalued because of his down years. Everyone knows he's going to bounce back once he's moved and are trying to get him on the cheap. He's worth more than Zucker.

Manson = yuck! No thanks. Pointless trade that achieves nothing.

Getzlaf = the value is there, but I suspect CGY doesn't even consider it. Moreover, we should be retiring Getzlaf unless he requests a trade. He's done right by us all these years and, given our whole selling point to big name players is that "we're a nice team to play for", I think shipping our captain and one of our all-time greats kind of muddies that reputation.

Lindholm = It's the only deal I'd strongly consider it. Lundkvist would be an extremely attractive addition for the future and we have a bunch of LHD prospects coming through. Could also add Drysdale at the draft to solidify the RH side for many years to come.

Silf + Henrique = again, the value is there, but I wouldn't do the deal because we need some veterans. Henrique is one of the few players on roster to have gone all the way to SCF. Meanwhile, Silf has really stepped up and is a playoff beast.

This is more of a rebuild than a retool IMO. However, this would be a good start to a rebuild.
Forum: Armchair-GM19 avr. 2020 à 19 h 48
Sujet: Agm 31 teams
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AFOX10900</b></div><div>I feel bad for whoever is gonna sign Barrie, I wouldn't give him a cent over 4 mil...</div></div>

I feel sorry for Barrie. The NHL's loss of revenue due to this pandemic is going to mean he, as well as a lot of other guys due new contracts, are going to get stiffed.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>We'd sign Pietrangelo for that figure, but he wouldn't, and we won't sign Barrie unless he decides to do so for at most $5 million.</div></div>

This. Pietrangelo would be the ideal signing. Barrie would be ok at $4.5-5, but I'd worry that he'd get played too far up the line-up at that price. He's a guy I'd want on our 3rd pairing and getting a tonne of PP time, not paired with Lindholm against the oppositions best.
Forum: Armchair-GM19 avr. 2020 à 19 h 44