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Overall, I'm happy with how the TDL went. The only move I don't like is the Ritchie trade, but that's only because Heinen is just so vanilla. Not a bad player, but doesn't really excel at anything. Reminds me of Logan Shaw. Would have preferred a pick to be honest. Some are saying the Kase deal was bad and BM should have got more. I'm going to assume that was the best deal on the table. It's not what I hoped for, but, if it's a question of taking the deal or not, I'd take the deal because Kase's value was only going 1-way. The rest are good deals. Getting anything for Grant, Holzer, Shore is a win in my book. Losing Sprong sucks and as that Pettersson trade continues to look terrible for us. I don't understand why he was never given an opportunity here. At least we have Sprong 2.0 in Milano, who I believe is a better team player whilst also suffering the same defensive deficiencies as Sprong.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Salzy</b></div><div><a href="/users/OldNYIfan" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@OldNYIfan</a> <a href="/users/Jah1722" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Jah1722</a> <a href="/users/mytduxfan" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@mytduxfan</a> Curious to see who you guys think we should go after if we target a top 4 RD by trade/FA</div></div>
I wouldn't. We need to get younger in that position. Unless we're trading Rakell to EDM for Bouchard or to NYR for Nils Lundkvist, I just stand pat with what we have. The draft is the best way to improve RD. Lots of RH D-men will be available around our 2nd 1st round pick.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ragsandbluesfan</b></div><div>Because hes better offensively, and defensively, and has more term, and hes much more consistent</div></div>
How can a guy whose peak goals and points in one season is 1 goal and 5 pts less than Rakell's and whose P/GP is 0.54 vs. Rakel's 0.63 be better offensively? I think you'll struggle to justify that one.
Better defensively? Ok, sure. I won't pretend to have watched Zucker enough to say he's worse defensively. Rakell is ok defensively, but nothing special. So I'll assume Zucker is better. However, I am sure the difference (if any) is small. Zucker isn't some Selke nominated winger or anything, so let's not pretend that his defensive game is leaps and bounds beyond Rakell's. Moreover, they're scoring wingers, so they're getting paid to score and the focus of their game will be putting the puck in the net.
More term? I'd give you that if Zucker wasn't being paid 5.5M vs. Rakell's <$4M? I mean, we're talking about 1 year here. You're going to have to explain why a contending team that is close to cap would value 1 more year at a more expensive rate for a guy who is less offensively-gifted (as established above) than Rakell. Surely, if you're that close to the cap and pinching every $, you take the cheaper and offensively better guy. I mean, Rakell still has 3 full playoff runs left, so it's not like he's on <$4M now and then going to get a massive increase next year or something. Rakell is also younger, so you're getting a player in his prime years for longer. Yeah, I don't think any contending team will say that Zucker is more valuable because he has more term.
Zucker is more consistent? Yeah, he's more consistent because Rakell has 2 x 30+ goal seasons whereas Zucker only has 1. So yeah, he consistently produces less than Rakell. That's not an upside. I mean, if you're specifically referring to Rakell's down year this year, Zucker has a similar points total. Again, don't think consistency adds value. Production is key and Rakell is better at producing.
Rakell is younger, better offensively, cheaper than Zucker. His contract adds massive value because contending teams don't have the cap for big contracts and he comes with enough term for 3 x playoff runs. For these reasons, he should return more than Zucker.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DocArin0</b></div><div>Id say so Bouchard is one of those A+ Prospects. Comparison IMO would be Sandin,Byram, Tippett, Brandstrom Ect those types of prospects by themselves net a Huge player on their own let alone another 1st ontop. Biggest trade comparison i could find would be the OTT-VGK Mark Stone Trade
OTT Traded: Mark Stone (With 8 Year extension) + Lindberg Whom was a throw in to make the contracts work
For VGK: Brandstrom (A+ Prospect) + Oscar Lindberg (Salary Dump) + 2nd Round pick.
If you breakdown that trade without the Salary dump you might be looking at a 3rd/4th instead of a 2nd
As for the NJD/TB trade for Coleman while Foote is a great prospect most people would see him as a B+/A- instead of an A+ IMO those A+ prospects are reserved for players with Top Pair/Line potential</div></div>
I agree that Bouchard is an A prospect. I really like him and think he's got top pairing upside. Perhaps not elite upside, but he's the right type of 2-way player to become a top pairing D-man IMO.
I don't think Mark Stone is a good comparable to Rakell. Stone was already on a hefty contract in OTT (+$7M) and wanted to get paid even more money on his next deal, effectively forcing OTT to move him. He was certainly being shopped by OTT. When Stone was traded, he got a massive 8 x 9.5M contract extension. I think his contract demands combined with OTT actively shopping him massively reduced his value. Not to mention that Stone had injury concerns attached to him. He's never had a full season and tends to miss at least 20 games per year. That also lowers his value tool. Rakell isn't the most durable of players, usually missing 10 games per season himself, but I think his team friendly deal is very, very attractive and really ups his value compared to what Stone got. I mean, you're talking about <$4M per season for the next 3 playoff runs vs. $9.5M. That's massive, especially for competing teams with limited cap space.
I'm not saying that EDM would accept Bouchard + 1st. Tbh, I don't think they'd move Bouchard at all. However, I think that kind of demand is fair for Rakell.