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Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 2 heures
Sujet: Zegras
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Fox_Czar_Cup</b></div><div>You ducklings are laughable.
Zegras is THE unwanted one!
Especially to a defensive well oiled machine.
For our beast captain &amp; next year's Laf... lol pass.
You'll be able to trade him, but most likely to a desperate lesser team</div></div>

I’m not sure you could’ve missed reality by much more than you did here tbh. It’s not really your fault though, ANA hockey is tough to watch so I wouldn’t expect other fans to see much of it. You may feel Z is unwanted in your opinion, but there’s a reason you won’t find a single Zegras trade on this platform coming from a fan of the team that has him and watches him play.

Pay less attention to the media portrayal and watch a game or two (if you can subject yourself to that much Ducks hockey 🤦‍♂️), and I’ll be very surprised if you don’t change your mind. The media makes him out to be some cocky, 2x/year flashy goal scorer who thinks he’s hot s*** after an undeserved chel cover. In reality the dude is everything you want in a locker room guy. The most positive player on the ice, easily my guess for the Duck who loves the game of hockey the most, and has a team-first and pass-first mentality. His defensive game came a long way this season (statistically and to the eye test), though understandably has a ways to go for a now-23 year old. Faceoffs are his crux though. He definitely needs to figure out how to win faceoffs unless he’s cool to play wing full time. He’s garbage on the dot
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 13 heures
Sujet: More ideas for a Kane contract
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LikeABoss</b></div><div>I think there are potentially more reasons to trade him that you want to consider, but that's more of a mental block than a real reason to not trade him. I'd say his contentious contract negotiations is at least 1 reason...

I get all your stuff about Gudas, I figured every player you got was younger than Gudas, and on an expiring deal except Walman who has the same term as Gudas left. They can all be flipped for probably more than Gudas with retention, but since you guys expect to make the playoffs next season I can see why that wouldn't have much value... I look forward to the Ducks getting an additional 32+ points next season!

Anything reported about Yzerman's thoughts on a player is probably a lie unless you have a direct quote to reference or video of him saying it. He's kind of known for running a very tight ship.

Again 2 first round picks seems like more than what Chicago got for DeBrincat. That's a real trade that happened. I think your hypothetical about Seider doesn't help your argument, because while I'd certainly entertain ANA's next 2 first round picks for Seider, along with whatever you want to throw in, I'd have to do a bit more digging to see who's in this year's draft and next year's. Granted the main reason is ANA's next 2 1st round picks are quite a bit more valuable than Detroit's</div></div>

Come on we can’t still be pushing this. I just named 10 completely valid reasons for you without thinking about it for you. This is just not happening. Half these counter arguments don’t even stand on their own legs. Just touching on the first 2:

Who cares that the last contract took a bit longer to land? He ends under team control as an RFA, and not for 2 more years. Nylander’s much longer negotiation seems to have aged juuuust fine.. every quote from the player, coaches, and management have been super positive

Age isn’t the only factor at all. This is a bunch of spare parts who will fill absolutely no need on this team for 2 guys we need badly. We have an excess of 3 NHL-ready LHD already, 2 of these pieces might as well just walk. If you laid out every single one of these assets and said pick the 2 ANA needs the most, without question it’s Zegras and Gudas 😂, and that’s not at all a hot take

Btw PHI went from exactly where we are now to fringe playoffs in 2 seasons with far fewer elite young players. Is next season a stretch? Yeah absolutely it is. But good for the GM to be ambitious. It doesn’t change the fact that it’s the direction that the man calling the shots on trades wants to go. Meaning a draft pick return mixed with whatever you want to call the rest of those guys is just silly
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 18 heures
Sujet: More ideas for a Kane contract
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LikeABoss</b></div><div>I'd be curious to hear them, or at least how many.

Again, I used that article as a benchmark, and think I went above the value offered up in the article. I should also note that 2 1st round picks and a couple of good young players seems more expensive than what Chicago got for DeBrincat at a similar point in his career... I think DeBrincat was a bit more successful at that point as well.

What trade comparable do you have to justify a larger haul?</div></div>

Ughhhh. Sure I’ll go with the first 10 that come to mind and cut myself off there
1. ANA has zero reason to trade Zegras unless they land an NHL ready LHC, for which they have only an 11.5% chance
2. ANA’s one an only RHD under contract is Gudas
3. Gudas has played so well for ANA he’s a legitimate (though not super highly likely) candidate for the C this offseason. He’s loved by every fan, player, coach, etc
4. The Ducks are loaded with middle 6 and bottom 4 D prospects. Their needs are 1RD and top 6 RW prospects. Not a single asset here is likely to fill any of those holes
5. Verbeek outright said he wants to push for playoff contention next year. A Zegras and Gudas trade is a huge step back, not to mention the best piece coming in being a draft pick that won’t meaningfully help the team for like 3 years
6. You had the gall to think Gudas is going to get RETAINED(!!) $2M for 2 more years
7. Undoubtedly the deepest position on ANA is LHD (Mintyukov, Zellweger, Lacombe, Vaak, Lageson, Hinds, Dionicio). You added 2(!!!) LHD
8. It’s already been widely reported that Yzerman wasn’t interested in Zegras
9. The rumors around Zegras in general were shut down months ago, because they were baseless to begin with. The dude who threw it out there is the same one who said definitively that Gibson played his last game in ANA.. at the end of last season. His argument was basically ‘Drysdale got traded, he’s buddies with Zegras, maybe Zegras is next’. The moment someone in the media actually dug in, multiple insiders shared ‘Verbeek was never looking to move Zegras, and has not once brought his name up in a trade discussion’
10. The quantity over quality approach doesn’t work when the opposing team actually has leverage. DET has plenty of pieces ANA would actually value (ASP, Danielson). If the Ducks tried to get Seider for a ‘25 1st, ‘26 1st, and a bunch of fillers, what would you think?
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 19 heures
Sujet: Huge Rumor
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>Well, yes, it's not a rumour, but it was written about by a <a href="https://phillyhockeynow.com/2024/04/24/philadelphia-flyers-trade-anaheim-ducks-address-team-needs/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Philly Hockey Columnist</a>

I question if he's taken leave of his senses as he also speculated that Tippett and Foerster wouldn't be pieces were interested in.

To answer his open ended questions, we can make Gudas the captain for two seasons, he's a perfect stop gap while the youth mature. He has the follow me factor, he has the intensity and emotion, and he's the last one off the ice every night high fiveing the entire team before tossing his stick to a fan. Everything about that tells me he would be a great short term captain.

As to Risto, I like Risto as a pickup, I've taken flack for liking Risto as a pickup, but he's an underwater contract and even in this article referenced as a third pairing defenseman (I know he's 2nd pair and can eat minutes, but I further question why Bailey speculates we would give up a major piece for a pending UFA and a bottom pairing cap dump, when a shiny new RW that fits the age group is sitting right there in great supply, and they're both goal scorers top which is what we need)</div></div>

I guess it depends on what you consuder a rumor. There’s not a single piece of reporting in this article. It’s basically a columnists version of a Capfriendly ACGM. I might as well publish an article that Foerster wants out of Philly, and that Lacombe in Ana makes sense for a trade
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 19 heures
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 22 heures
Sujet: zegs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kachowski47</b></div><div>Bad teams do make bad trades and no the return is not attractive but there have also never been rumors about caufield getting traded zegras on the other hand has had plenty of rumors and if Anaheim wants to trade him there must be reason so that will lower his value if you look at the pld trade from last year LA gave way too much even with everything surrounding him and it came back to bite them so if zegras is on the market Id be willing to make a trade for him but im not going to overpay</div></div>

The rumors were debunked the moment actual reporting was done. The rumor was “The Ducks traded Drysdale who was friends with Zegras, and they now have lots of centers. Maybe they’d trade Zegras”

The moment actual reporting was done it was determined:
“Verbeek has never shopped Zegras nor brought his name up in a single trade discussion”.

The rumor began by the same reporter who definitively said Gibson played his last game for ANA after last season.

I might as well write an article myself saying MTL would trade caufield and then we can have this discussion the other way around? Happy to revisit Lacombe and a ‘26 1st for him. Farfetched idea? Trust me, Ducks fans can relate. Maybe we see that proposal come up 500+ times as if there’s something new to talk about the 501st time as well

Sorry if I’m chippy; this is just silly at this point. Really mind blown people think there’s still something to talk about here
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 22 heures
Sujet: zegs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kachowski47</b></div><div>I mean this is all just speculation and I think if this was done with any player on any team the fans of the team would not go for it without an overpay but trades like this do happen look the deal for dach or even the mark stone trade to vegas it can happen espically when the team doesnt like player or when the players value is really which seems to be zegras's situation right now</div></div>

Yes, some teams make stupid mistakes. Verbeek has shown himself to be very rational and competent. So this is a no-brainer decline, which is why you’re getting that reaction universally.

You didn’t need to post this for that feedback either btw. There are probably between 500-750 MTL ACGMs from the past few months with some version of this trade with the same point-of-view being shared ad nauseum
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 22 heures
Sujet: zegs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kachowski47</b></div><div>So you dont think the habs 2025 first and second with no protections winnipegs first and the habs third this year with some other decent prospects could be impactful barron and farrell are still very young with lots of time to develop those picks could be high next year if the habs dont significantly improve and anderson could bounce back with Anaheim since he'll fit their system much better</div></div>

I’m super glad you like the value of all those assets. The same reason you’re happy to let them go for Zegras is why we don’t want them for him

By the way, as a general rule of thumb. If you find yourself trying to sell why something is a good idea for the other party, it’s usually not boding well for that discussion/negotiation
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 23 heures
Sujet: Ducks Target Necas
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Cushmaker</b></div><div>Canes fan here... Necas has nearly as much skill as any player in the league but his inability to put it together consistently is frustrating at times for sure. I think he's stays a wing (even if he thinks he can play in the middle.) The only thing I'd mention in regards to his offense is that he hasn't had the opportunity to play with a legitimate top 6 C over the last 2 years. He doesn't play with Aho and the C depth doesn't offer a ton offensively-speaking behind him. Defensively he is what he is; you'll always want more with that size/speed/length combo but he's also not as bad as some will make him out to be. I think he's a player that can help nearly any team on the right deal but that deal can't start with a 7 and even the mid 6's is a stretch at times.</div></div>

I think we’re all saying the same thing. Everyone here (incl ANA fans) like Necas.

The issue is that his next deal will almost certainly reach an AAV that none of us think he’s worth, which is why CAR fans are willing to move him, and why the RW-needy Ducks are happy to let someone else trade for him
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 23 heures
Sujet: Ducks Target Necas
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>I don't frankly think Necas is that good. He's fast, and he can score, but he doesn't drive play, he doesn't do much defensively, and his hockey IQ doesn't wow either. His success seems mostly driven by being fast enough to be in the right place for his center to dish him the puck to score easy goals.

Not saying that isn't what Vatrano also did to hit 37, but I don't think I'd give Necas over 6 mil AAV, he's a complimentary scorer.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GeneralLandro</b></div><div>This

He would be similar situation to Dubois in he will cost to much to obtain and cost to much to retain than the production he would bring</div></div>

I’m fully with these takes. At his current $3M deal he’s a steal. But what he’ll negotiate is going to be regrettable for whatever team offers it imo.

One of the only negative +/- Canes despite &gt;60% of his shifts starting in the offensive zone. Negative relative advanced stats across the board. Giveaways 2x vs takeaways. Awful in the face off circle. I’d absolutely prefer ANA to look elsewhere