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Forum: Armchair-GM4 sept. 2019 à 18 h 31
Sujet: What Marner Deserves After Keller Contract
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>No they are not lol... You are talking out of your ass.
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Lol no I am not. Check Corsica and all the advanced stats websites. Follow up with Stephen Burtch, the advanced stats specialists. Your stats only tell a small sample size, plus the only reason why they are that high was because he got carried by Tavares. Put him away from tavares and see how low his stats are. The issue is, people think Marner is talented but he isn’t. In fact, Bracco is more talented than him.
Forum: Armchair-GM4 sept. 2019 à 14 h 49
Sujet: What Marner Deserves After Keller Contract
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>47 point Keller gets 7.15m AAV. Seems obscene. RFAs might have been waiting for Marner to "set the bar". Is Keller's salary the new bar?</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AndrewLadd</b></div><div>Marner could go partying w Kuznetsov and still wouldn’t sign that</div></div>

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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>this scared me for a second. LoganOliver will probably think it's serious and be giving you 5 stars.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>toque</b></div><div>Sigh.</div></div>

Marner isn’t better than Keller. Don’t just look at the points. Keller played all season on a line with freaking Richardson, and still put up over one point every 2 games. Marner player with the Tavares, yet only got 94 points. Also, Keller’s possession metrics and advanced statistics are far better than Marner’s.
Forum: Armchair-GM19 juill. 2019 à 15 h 19
Forum: Armchair-GM19 juill. 2019 à 15 h 13
Sujet: Marner trade with isles
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Price_is_the_goat</b></div><div>you can throw all the stats you want at me. if nylander is so great, than why the hell isn't he putting up 70 plus points consistently? why isn't he leading the team in points over the past 2 years? why isn't nylander doing that if he's so great. and as far as i see on hockey reference, marners corsi is 51.8 over his career. if nylander was as great as u claim him to be, why wasn't he producing at ppg pace? its actually hilarious that u think nylander is better than marner in the long run. also, i just checked corsica, u can check as well, and marner dominated nylander in every category. u can compare here.
<a href="http://corsica.hockey/skater-stats/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">http://corsica.hockey/skater-stats/</a>
btw, david pastarnak has better advanced metrics than nylander. so does that mean he's better than marner?
is nylander not putting up points because of babcock? thats an excuse too. or is marner just better than nylander? if nylander was better than marner, he'd be askin for 9mill right now
at the end of the day, the marner is better than nylander.</div></div>

I’m sorry but your stats are invalid because they are too basic. You cannot use goals, assists, points and the eye test to make your judgement of a hockey player’s abilities. Advanced stats are what tells the whole story and that is what I provided. I am sorry that your feelings are hurt, but facts don’t care about your feelings. Nylander &gt; Marner.
Forum: Armchair-GM19 juill. 2019 à 13 h 13
Sujet: Hurts but works - Move Kap to keep mitch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LoganOllivier</b></div><div>How many 90 point seasons does Sheary have under his belt. Marner isn't worth what Matthews makes, no doubt about it and he won't get it. Ferris over reached and he lost and now its just a waiting game. The other RFA's are all waiting for someone to blink and when that happens the market will be set. End of debate and end of story. Whatever that number is, its probably will be close to 10 million, and that is fine. It won't matter much, the Leafs can afford that.

This whole Marner is crap so he can't get paid big money nonsense from some fans is ridiculous. What do you want? To drive all players away from TO because if things don't go exactly your way you are going to go full baby and whine and throw insults at any athlete who doesn't toe the company line and take pay cuts that work for your own opinions?

How about we all just settle down and just breath. There is a long time before the season starts, Marner is the last piece of business left for the team and it'll happen around the same time the rest of the RFA's sign. In the meantime, we can be happy the team has an improved defence, good depth under fair contracts and an excellent chance at winning the cup next season. Regardless of what happens with Marner.</div></div>

The issue is not about whether the Leafs can afford Marner or not. It’s simply he doesn’t deserve the money. Literally no statistic shows he is better than Nylander, so why should he get more than 7 million?
Forum: Armchair-GM19 juill. 2019 à 13 h 2
Sujet: Acceptable Marner Contracts
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>habs_fan123</b></div><div>i geuss toronto isn't re signing him

i want to say those contracts are spot on but marner will laugh at those unfortunately</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>zackkehl</b></div><div>If Aho got signed for 8.454x5, theres no way Marner can ask for that much. <a href="/users/FantasySens" target="_blank">@FantasySens</a></div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Trouble for Mitch is, there might be not any other team who offers (and signs) him to any contract much different. So if those contracts aren't acceptable, playing ball hockey on his parents driveway might be his only option.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Goulet</b></div><div>They're still high and Marner's agent is on crack.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mondo</b></div><div>thank you for your opinions, fans of rival teams.</div></div>

Even those offers are too high. He isn’t better than Nylander. Nylander is more proven and capable than a Marner, so Marner should get 8.75 million on an 8 year deal maximum.
Forum: Armchair-GM19 juill. 2019 à 12 h 58
Sujet: Marner trade with isles
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Price_is_the_goat</b></div><div>real facts? arent u the same idiot that said that the leafs should keep nylander over marner, because nylander is more talented, hardworking and a more reliable player? i mean, i get it, your a nylander fan. you're gonna be biased, but any one with at least 1 brain cell knows that this is such a stupid take. was it nylander who put 90 plus points last year? or was he the guy who could barely score cause he started the season late? i mean, shea weber started the season late, and he was coming off 2 surgeries and hadn't played hockey for a year, and he dominated. so idk what excuse "reliable and hardworking" nylander has?</div></div>

You are so in denial of how fabulous Nylander is. Let me bring out some actual stats:

William Nylander is a better individual player than Mitch Marner. So far in their careers, Nylander’s Corsi for is 54% whereas Marner’s is only 40%. In fact, each star forward on the Leafs found more success playing with Nylander than with Marner. Kadri has a .86 G/60 playing with Nylander and .85 playing with Marner. Van Riemsdyk has a 1.33 G/60 playing with Nylander and 1.18 with Marner. Tavares has a 6.27 G/60 playing with Nylander and 1.53 with Marner. Matthews has a 1.53 G/60 with Nylander and a 1.04 with Marner. Just stop for a moment and take a look at Marner’s possession metrics and advanced stats: <a href="https://imgur.com/gallery/nVdJHWP" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://imgur.com/gallery/nVdJHWP</a>
<a href="https://imgur.com/a/j04H3vO" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://imgur.com/a/j04H3vO</a> He literally gets carried by Tavares and is only effective when JT is holding his hand. Across the past 3 seasons at 5v5 in comparison to Marner, Nylander has a higher...
iCF60: 15.03 vs 14.44
iFF60: 11.33 vs 10.64
iSF60: 7.94 vs 7.37
ixG60: 0.78 vs 0.66

So literally the only A3Z metric that rates Marner higher than Nylander across the past 3 years is...nothing.
Forum: Armchair-GM19 juill. 2019 à 12 h 44
Sujet: Hurts but works - Move Kap to keep mitch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LoganOllivier</b></div><div>This pendulum ride of lunacy is too much to handle.

1) Marner is a star, you don't score 90+ points unless you are an elite player. I think him and Nylander are a lot closer than some think but they are both top flight players. Top players should get paid big bucks, they make other players better, and should get paid based off that. I don't at all agree that Marner is nothing without an elite centre, Kadri had his best seasons playing with Marner, same with JT. Sure its a symbiotic relationship but its not a one way street. He'll sign for around 10 million I think, I hope its 6 years. And no matter what he signs for, it won't be a problem contract. Problem contracts are guys making more than they are worth and stars are always worth their money when they are in their prime. Its older guys making too much that is the problem or depth players making too much. Some people on here would rather pay guys like Kapanen 5+ to score 50 points than Marner 10 million to score 90+ that just doesn't make sense. Finding a 20 goal scorer when you have star players like TO has is easy. Finding stars is always hard.

Now onto Bouchard.

That's just a silly statement born from ignorance. I am not sure how good he'll be but he's a A prospect for sure. He's a better prospect than Sandin and Liljegren, perhaps a little further away than Liljegren from being NHL ready but not far. Borgman isn't even close to these players, at best he's a bottom pair guy.</div></div>

I don’t understand what is wrong with you people, you can’t argue against facts! Can we just stop thinking Mitch Marner should get similar money to Auston Matthews? This is getting beyond ridiculous. Ever since entering the league, no player has scored more even strength goals than Matthews, Marner is absolutely not in the same category in terms of individual ability.

William Nylander is a better individual player than Mitch Marner. So far in their careers, Nylander’s Corsi for is 54% whereas Marner’s is only 40%. In fact, each star forward on the Leafs found more success playing with Nylander than with Marner. Kadri has a .86 G/60 playing with Nylander and .85 playing with Marner. Van Riemsdyk has a 1.33 G/60 playing with Nylander and 1.18 with Marner. Tavares has a 6.27 G/60 playing with Nylander and 1.53 with Marner. Matthews has a 1.53 G/60 with Nylander and a 1.04 with Marner. Just stop for a moment and take a look at Marner’s possession metrics and advanced stats: <a href="https://imgur.com/gallery/nVdJHWP" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://imgur.com/gallery/nVdJHWP</a>
<a href="https://imgur.com/a/j04H3vO" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://imgur.com/a/j04H3vO</a> He literally gets carried by Tavares and is only effective when JT is holding his hand. Across the past 3 seasons at 5v5 in comparison to Marner, Nylander has a higher...
iCF60: 15.03 vs 14.44
iFF60: 11.33 vs 10.64
iSF60: 7.94 vs 7.37
ixG60: 0.78 vs 0.66
So literally the only A3Z metric that rates Marner higher than Nylander across the past 3 years is...nothing.

It is utterly mind-bottling that people think Marner is comparable to Nylander- one drives play at an elite level while the other just waits around for elite centres such as Kadri and Tavares to carry him. I don’t see Marner being anywhere near Nylander’s level. Marner has been sheltered and protected by elite play driving linemates whereas Nylander’s results encompass all manner of adversity and babcock lunacy.
Honestly Mitch Marner in reality is literally the same type of player as Conor Sheary, an average or below average player in terms of skill that relies on elite centres to carry them.
Forum: Armchair-GM19 juill. 2019 à 12 h 27
Sujet: Hurts but works - Move Kap to keep mitch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LoganOllivier</b></div><div>Really? That is your take? A 40 point winger who disappeared is more worth keeping than a super star who wants to get paid fairly? There hasn't even been a hold out yet! Only Aho has signed and you are going off the deepend. Just relax, Marner will sign and it'll happen before training camp. If Edmonton was interested in this trade, even if it was just Kap for Bouchard, the Leafs should absolutely jump at that! Its a slam dunk win for them. Kapanen is the most replaceable player on the team, he can immediately be replaced by Bracco and Bouchard would be a high level young player that can be a big addition to the blueline in the coming years when the team will need cheap useable players. He has at least 3 more years of ELC and could be much better than Kapanen.</div></div>

10.5 million is not a fair contract fo Marner, it’s a gross overpayment. The guy should not get close to 10 million dollars. 7.85 is the maximum would offer on a long term contract and 6.75 is the maximum on a bridge deal. The kid needs to understand he does not have Hall Of Fame potential. At his best he is not even better than Nylander. Also, who is Bouchard? The Leafs already have Borgman, Sandin and Liljegren who are better options. Bouchard is worse than Marincin!