Exactly, Marner was terrible last season. Always coughing up the puck and turning it over, dude couldn’t do anything right.

Lol my feelings are shattered.
This is the best cap friendly post of all time. Matthews is better than Mcdavid AND Crosby.
Someone needs to archive this or something

You have just proved what a troll you are. You used the term. "ice hockey". and even said said you even "played competitive ice hockey". Not even a miid fan of the the NHL (or such leagues) uses the term "ice hockey". And no fan on this site would ever use the term "ice hockey" to say they played the game. Sorry bud, you have never laced up skates in your life. And despite being able to watch a NHL game world wide, doubt if you have even seen more than a handful games of TV or the internet.

Let's start with the takeaways since you so kindly brought it up. And from here forward I'll order things as his seasons have gone 16/17, 17/18, 18/19.
They're trending in the wrong direction 65,57,48. Yes he missed some games so let's look at his giveaways...they're trending in the wrong direction as well 38,54,54.
How about something simple like GF and GA? Same thing...49/46, 63/31, 55/58. Looks like his line really finished 2 years ago..
How about zone starts? What does his coach think of his defensive game? Offensive zone start % - 71.99, 57.52, 65.96. Uh oh...
Hdgf%?? - 61.70, 71.43, 51.56...looks like someone got hurt and stopped going to the tough areas.
On ice sv% - 92.47, 94.15, 90.07...look, these coincide with the above numbers too.
What else could there be to determine how the league might view a players achievements?? Awards! Let's have a look at the Selke voting because if he is as good as you believe, he must have almost won the trophy.
16/17 - 4 votes. Yay, tied for 38th.
17/18 - none? No votes at all?
18/19 - none again? What? How could this be?

I can appreciate that you've found some stats and when you pick and choose they can be manipulated to show different opinions. I just did it too.

What Matthews is, is raw. He put up a great rookie year, then started to coast a little in year 2 because his line outscored everyone it played against. Other teams take their foot off the gas when they're down by a few goals. Then last year it got real. His linemates changed, the effort wasn't there and after the puck stopped going in on every shot, he wasn't the same. Could be injuries, could be contract negotiations, could be pining for Nylander, could just be that he expected everything to be given to him.
He didn't have a bad year offensively, but defensively, he was average at best. If he commits to the defensive side of the puck the same way Bergeron, Barkov, or Toews does, his contract will be a bargain. If he even just mirrors Tavares, he will be set and so will the Leafs.

My suggestion to you with all your wisdom and advanced stats knowledge, is don't bully people with it. It's one thing to throw out some numbers, it's an entirely other thing altogether when you do it ignorantly.

Screenshots. President of the Matthews fanclub. Mom?

Darn, I missed the rule in place where an even strength goal is worth more on the scoreboard than a power play or short handed goal. What does your analytics say about a player who is on the ice for more goals scored against than for?

I can’t believe you are serious. Plus minus is an extremely misleading stat. Phil Kessel had a terrible plus minus, that must mean he sucks.

I'm ss this response. I've met a lot of leafs fans who I don't get along with, even on this website, but I'm pretty sure that they'll agree with me on this that McDavid is better than Matthews.

Philip danault has better possession numbers. Does that mean danault = matthews?

Mark giordano was plus 34. he won the norris.
Bergeron was plus 23.he won the selke. Plus minus isn't accuarate, but it matters
Btw according to your logic about Matthews being better than crosby, Gallaghar has more even strength goals this past season than Matthews. Gallaghars line of Danault and Tatar were the 2nd best 5v5 line in the league, and the best possession line in the league. Gallaghar is also ahead of Matthews in every possession metric. Marc Dumont wrote an article on this at the athletic.
So according to your logic, Gallaghar > Matthews. Thank you

I love this comment, I've had people throw stats and corsi numbers at me like they proven facts, and I'd always say, numbers are propaganda which can be used to paint any picture.

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