What on earth

You think Oilers would give Bouchard for Kapanen? Take a drink.

Holy mama

Kapanen is on a team friendly contract plus is more committed to playing hockey than Marner. I would trade Marner in a heartbeat.

That trade is garbage man. Do you have any basis for doubting Marners commitment to hockey in comparison to Kapanen?

Really? That is your take? A 40 point winger who disappeared is more worth keeping than a super star who wants to get paid fairly? There hasn't even been a hold out yet! Only Aho has signed and you are going off the deepend. Just relax, Marner will sign and it'll happen before training camp. If Edmonton was interested in this trade, even if it was just Kap for Bouchard, the Leafs should absolutely jump at that! Its a slam dunk win for them. Kapanen is the most replaceable player on the team, he can immediately be replaced by Bracco and Bouchard would be a high level young player that can be a big addition to the blueline in the coming years when the team will need cheap useable players. He has at least 3 more years of ELC and could be much better than Kapanen.

marner scores 50 more points than this kid plus on what planet is kapanen worthbouchard

10.5 million is not a fair contract fo Marner, it’s a gross overpayment. The guy should not get close to 10 million dollars. 7.85 is the maximum would offer on a long term contract and 6.75 is the maximum on a bridge deal. The kid needs to understand he does not have Hall Of Fame potential. At his best he is not even better than Nylander. Also, who is Bouchard? The Leafs already have Borgman, Sandin and Liljegren who are better options. Bouchard is worse than Marincin!

This pendulum ride of lunacy is too much to handle.

1) Marner is a star, you don't score 90+ points unless you are an elite player. I think him and Nylander are a lot closer than some think but they are both top flight players. Top players should get paid big bucks, they make other players better, and should get paid based off that. I don't at all agree that Marner is nothing without an elite centre, Kadri had his best seasons playing with Marner, same with JT. Sure its a symbiotic relationship but its not a one way street. He'll sign for around 10 million I think, I hope its 6 years. And no matter what he signs for, it won't be a problem contract. Problem contracts are guys making more than they are worth and stars are always worth their money when they are in their prime. Its older guys making too much that is the problem or depth players making too much. Some people on here would rather pay guys like Kapanen 5+ to score 50 points than Marner 10 million to score 90+ that just doesn't make sense. Finding a 20 goal scorer when you have star players like TO has is easy. Finding stars is always hard.

Now onto Bouchard.

That's just a silly statement born from ignorance. I am not sure how good he'll be but he's a A prospect for sure. He's a better prospect than Sandin and Liljegren, perhaps a little further away than Liljegren from being NHL ready but not far. Borgman isn't even close to these players, at best he's a bottom pair guy.

I don’t understand what is wrong with you people, you can’t argue against facts! Can we just stop thinking Mitch Marner should get similar money to Auston Matthews? This is getting beyond ridiculous. Ever since entering the league, no player has scored more even strength goals than Matthews, Marner is absolutely not in the same category in terms of individual ability.

William Nylander is a better individual player than Mitch Marner. So far in their careers, Nylander’s Corsi for is 54% whereas Marner’s is only 40%. In fact, each star forward on the Leafs found more success playing with Nylander than with Marner. Kadri has a .86 G/60 playing with Nylander and .85 playing with Marner. Van Riemsdyk has a 1.33 G/60 playing with Nylander and 1.18 with Marner. Tavares has a 6.27 G/60 playing with Nylander and 1.53 with Marner. Matthews has a 1.53 G/60 with Nylander and a 1.04 with Marner. Just stop for a moment and take a look at Marner’s possession metrics and advanced stats: https://imgur.com/gallery/nVdJHWP
https://imgur.com/a/j04H3vO He literally gets carried by Tavares and is only effective when JT is holding his hand. Across the past 3 seasons at 5v5 in comparison to Marner, Nylander has a higher...
iCF60: 15.03 vs 14.44
iFF60: 11.33 vs 10.64
iSF60: 7.94 vs 7.37
ixG60: 0.78 vs 0.66
So literally the only A3Z metric that rates Marner higher than Nylander across the past 3 years is...nothing.

It is utterly mind-bottling that people think Marner is comparable to Nylander- one drives play at an elite level while the other just waits around for elite centres such as Kadri and Tavares to carry him. I don’t see Marner being anywhere near Nylander’s level. Marner has been sheltered and protected by elite play driving linemates whereas Nylander’s results encompass all manner of adversity and babcock lunacy.
Honestly Mitch Marner in reality is literally the same type of player as Conor Sheary, an average or below average player in terms of skill that relies on elite centres to carry them.

How many 90 point seasons does Sheary have under his belt. Marner isn't worth what Matthews makes, no doubt about it and he won't get it. Ferris over reached and he lost and now its just a waiting game. The other RFA's are all waiting for someone to blink and when that happens the market will be set. End of debate and end of story. Whatever that number is, its probably will be close to 10 million, and that is fine. It won't matter much, the Leafs can afford that.

This whole Marner is crap so he can't get paid big money nonsense from some fans is ridiculous. What do you want? To drive all players away from TO because if things don't go exactly your way you are going to go full baby and whine and throw insults at any athlete who doesn't toe the company line and take pay cuts that work for your own opinions?

How about we all just settle down and just breath. There is a long time before the season starts, Marner is the last piece of business left for the team and it'll happen around the same time the rest of the RFA's sign. In the meantime, we can be happy the team has an improved defence, good depth under fair contracts and an excellent chance at winning the cup next season. Regardless of what happens with Marner.

for the record, this dude isn't rahef issa. it's a guy who goes by brandondubinskygoat whose been posting the exact same comments over and over again.

The issue is not about whether the Leafs can afford Marner or not. It’s simply he doesn’t deserve the money. Literally no statistic shows he is better than Nylander, so why should he get more than 7 million?

That guy is so annoying. He used the same "I've polled a lot of girls and they all like Nylander better line" several times, the dude loves his own voice.

Because the market changed when Matthews signed. Dubas won the Nylander negotiation in a landslide, I am not sure he's going to quite as well with Marner, a 94 point season tends to inflate someones price.

What happens when he holds out, gets moved for less than market value and the team does not excel without him. What is your story then?

There will be no story because it will not happen. The only reason why Marner is good is because of Tavares. That’s it.

Anyone playing on Tavares’ wing can put up 95 points or more. Marner is nothing special and should be paid like a debt player, I remain where I stand. Matthews and Nylander are the truly magical players on the team. Matthews is a better 2-way player than Marner.

Literally no one ever in the NHL has put up 90+ points playing along side Tavares. I am not at all arguing that Marner is way better than Matthews or Nylander. He isn't way better, he's not nearly as valuable as Matthews considering he's a centre and a goal scoring machine. Nylander is terribly underrated by many for sure and I think his contract is fantastic, I think him and Marner are a lot closer than many think. It would be interesting to see how many points Nylander would put up if he ran the 1st PP instead of Marner.

That being said Marner did score 94 points, that doesn't happen often in today's NHL and its going to drive up his price. Had he scored 70 points this season, he wouldn't be asking for more than 8 million but he scored 94. So whether we like it or not, Marner is going to get paid more than Nylander by a pretty big margin. Skinner and Hayes signing for what they did compounds the issue. Hopefully though, Rantanen will sign for less than 9, that would set the market and ruin any chances Marner has for getting more. The problem definitely isn't Marner, its Ferris and he's messed this negotiation up. He's trying to save face by being quiet now and waiting for someone else to blink.

We just need to have patience and breath. Marner isn't a greedy kid that deserves fan scorn, he's a star player that wants to win a cup in TO, let the business stuff get sorted and just enjoy the summer while we can. Hockey will come in the fall and all this will be just a stupid waste of time we had in the summer.