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Forum: Armchair-GM15 mars à 16 h 10
Sujet: next season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Riddick19</b></div><div>DeBrincat wasn't a disaster, him leaving aftyer one season. If you're going to be a GM that win? You have to take chances. No GM plays it completely safe and wins. Murray made sense, he was the best goaltender on the market at the time, and was a 2-time Stanley Cup Champ. Stone &amp; Duchene wanted to leave, and Duchene acquisition was to support a group that had gone to the Conference Finals the year before. Again, that's a move you make if you think it's a piece thqat gets you over the hump. DeMelo acquiring him was an issue? He was pretty good when he got here.

Most of these are only issues because the main issue (DJ Smith) made them issues.</div></div>
7th OA pick + 39th OA + 3rd round pick for Boston's 1st (currently 28th OA) and a 4th (Kubalik and Sebrango have ZERO value)

How was this not a disaster? Pretty much every Sens fan think it is, except a few Dorion die hard fans still in denial.

The problem with DeMelo was not acquiring him, it was to trade him stupidly for a 3rd round pick when we could use him up to this day... Dorion basically chose Nikita Zaitsev over him

And Duchene... I mean, we paid a 4th OA pick + Turris (look what he returned) + recent 1st round pick (Bowers) + 3rd to get him. All we have left now is Lassi Thomson

Stone... all we have left is Erik Brannstrom (I like him but you need to get A LOT more than that for a franchise player like Stone)

Murray when acquired was already the most injury prone player in the NHL. Not only that, the contract Dorion gave him was absolutely horrendous and ended up costing a 3rd + 7th to dump 75% of the final 2 years

Nothing wrong in taking risks (I play with Crypto) but problem is that Dorion nearly bats for ZERO when he takes risks.

Dj Smith was not the main issue, he was one of MANY Dorion issues.
Forum: Armchair-GM13 mars à 19 h 54
Sujet: Karlsson again
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>fil97</b></div><div>if you take out the retention pit accepts imo</div></div>
No because without it, bad trade for Ottawa. They're adding 5 M$ in cap while giving the 2 guys who will be the best players easily in the near future

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PensGMwannabe</b></div><div>That's 3 surgeries for Norris shoulder right? Have to see how that progresses and heals. That's a long-term contract he has!</div></div>
That's the risk. But Tarasenko also had 3

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KiSS_My_Asthma</b></div><div>I actually think this solves a lot of problems for both clubs.
I would suggest that maybe you swap Tkachuk for Norris?
Idk if I'm off base hear though.</div></div>
No, Tkachuk has way too much value for this deal. Norris is in this deal because of his injury problems. If not, no way Ottawa would give both Norris and Chychrun for Karlsson and Rust
Forum: Armchair-GM13 mars à 19 h 19
Sujet: Bring him home
- I'd much rather have Chabot who is 7 years younger.

- No one is going to trade for Norris until his injury situation is sorted out

- Roy is not a contract Vegas would look to move

- Coyotes don't need more futures, they have a million picks and prospects already

- I'd be tempted to take a chance with Gibson but he makes 2.4 AAV more than Korpisalo. If it doesn't work, they're screwed.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>We won't give up three more seasons of John Gibson for a late first, and I doubt that Ottawa is on his dance card anyway.</div></div>
Why? Gibson has 0.901 SV% over the last 5 seasons, Korpisalo has 0.899 SV% (Forsberg 0.907 SV%)

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GeneralLandro</b></div><div>Gibson doesn’t want Ottawa like Verbeek doesn’t want Korpisalo’s contract</div></div>
See above.
Forum: Armchair-GM13 mars à 18 h 54
Forum: Armchair-GM12 mars à 11 h 18
Sujet: Pens 2024
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Claesson4Norris</b></div><div>It's easy to point at the big, high profile Ls and laugh. The Duchene trades, the Stone debacle, the Boucher pick, the DeBrincat mess. But nearly as bad is the sheer amount of quality depth Ottawa had and let go. Like, imagine how much better a position Ottawa could be in if they had held on to guys like Daccord, DeMelo, Amadio etc. Hell, even a guy like Filip Chlapik I'm still convinced, was and is a better player than like 95% of the guys Ottawa has trotted out in the bottom six since he left.</div></div>
Yet, you're only talking about a portion of Dorion's mismanagement

What about the 1st we're going to lose with the Dadonov debacle?

What about trading Dylan DeMelo for a freaking 3rd round pick when he was the ideal partner for Thomas Chabot? But it was just a few months after acquiring the Nikita Elite Zaitsev so no need for DeMelo! The Zaitsev deal ended up as another horrible trade, despite Connor Brown attempts to make it a contest.

What about giving up a 2nd for Derek Stepan? Think about how much it cost to move a 6.5 cap hit for a bottom-6 player

Or the beloved first Dorion trade? Mika Zibanejad and a 2nd for 29 y/o Brassard

You're talking about Chlapik... They decided to waive Filip Chlapik and Rudolfs Balcers instead of Cedric Paquette, Artem Anisimov or Alex Galchenyuk. I mean, Balcers and Chlapik didn't destroy the NHL but Balcers was a solid 2-way 3rd line winger for 2 years before injuries kinda ruined him but both are having nice success in Europe. You waive 2 of the 3 guys I mentioned and give the young players a chance. This was ridiculous and showed to me their pro scouting ability

And all the picks traded to acquire guys like Gudbranson, Josh Brown, etc when you could have been PAID to take on contracts and probably end up with better players.

Dorion's tenure was just a continuous nightmare. It was not as easy during the firesale because that's the easiest job in the world : sell your players for the most you can get (look at the returns for Duchene and Stone lol) and draft HIGH

Even regarding that very EASY job, Dorion screwed up on most of it. Really, there's 5 moves that ended up being very beneficial :

- Karlsson's return
- Pageau's return
- Artem Zub
- Claude Giroux
- Batherson's contract

The rest is pretty much HORRIBLE
Forum: Armchair-GM12 mars à 11 h 9
Sujet: Fixing Ottawa Maybe Idk anymore
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SociallyHawkward</b></div><div>Murphy is a perfect top pair defenseman for any team that has a stud offensive LD. His numbers are ugly on the hawks cus everyone's numbers are ugly on the hawks. The team is bad by design. To other teams I think his value is probably a late 1st. For the hawks to actually consider moving him they'd probably want a 1st and a solid RD prospect. He's a leader for the young defenseman on the hawks so for them to give that up they would need an overpay. Now if he requested a trade that price would obviously come down but he seems pretty happy in chicago.

Also brannstrom is a lefty which is the deepest position chicago has.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hawksguy81</b></div><div>Hawks likely don't consider trading Murphy for anything less than a 1st or an equivalent high end prospect. Hawks have been awful (by design) for the past two years. Murphy had no shot at putting up any sort of good stats. He has played most of this season w/ Korchinski, and it appears GM Kyle from Chicago and Coach Luke want that same pair together next season as well.

No hate meant for Branny, but the Hawks aren't looking for any more LD. They're loaded at LD. They've already moved former 1st rounder Nolan Allen over to his off side on the right so he has a path to the NHL.

That proposed package from Ottawa has a lot of pieces but nothing that would be very interesting from the Hawks perspective.</div></div>
I'll respond to both quotes since it's the same subject. Note that I am not trying to argue about Chicago needs as I don't know enough about them, simply trying to gauge value. But thanks for the input, I understand it makes no sense to trade a solid veteran for quantity of pieces you don't really need.

Regarding value, Boucher is worth about a 4th (value keeps going down), Thomson a 7th at most (lost pretty much all his value this season), but Brännström is worth a 2nd/3rd even if I would not trade him like that at all. I would trade Chychrun, keep Brannstrom and invest in a RHD. LD is strong as it is with Chabot, Sanderson, Brannstrom and Kleven. Good thing about Brann is he can play basically everywhere in the lineup outside of Center and Goalie. He played 1 game on the 4th line wing and that was the best game from a Sens 4th line in basically the whole rebuild. When Chabot/Sanderson is injured, he gets more ice/responsibility and does really well. He constantly flashes skill and plays smart 2-way hockey. Of course, he can't handle big forwards abut he's quick and smart. His biggest problem I'd say is that he isn't able to create enough offense with his shot.

So at worst you got two 3rd round picks and two 4th round picks. Hard to find exact comparable trade but I see Brenden Dillon traded in 2021 for two 2nd round picks. I think Brannstrom, Boucher and the picks is a bit more valuable.

But yeah, not the type of trade the Hawks would want/need to make. Sell Murphy for the best quality asset possible or just keep him for now.
Forum: Armchair-GM12 mars à 10 h 48
Sujet: next season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Riddick19</b></div><div>There was no reference that during this stint, we also had coaches like Martin and Murray during these years. If you were to grade coaches out of 100? Martin Murray are well over the 70%. No one is going to convince me that DJ smith would even hit the 50% percentile. If Ottawa brings in a Gerard Gallant, Laviolette, or Quennville? I bet this team "as-is" makes the playoffs next year. Issue is, this is a young team that needs a training camp on how to put an actual system together and actually create an identity as a team. The players brought here to be the core is more than just fine. The coaching provided to these players has been utterly pathetic. Without many veterans who have tasted success in the lineup, it hasn't helped.</div></div>
Coaching staff are hired by the GM, it's part of his job. DJ's staff is just another testament how bad Dorion was at his job

The list is way too long on the problems Dorion has created and we have been paying for it and will continue to do so. It will take time to recover from Dorion's mess. We haven't even forfeited the 1st round pick yet.
Forum: Armchair-GM11 mars à 17 h 45
Sujet: Avalanche
It's almost like there should be some kind of test to allow people from making ACGMs

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xqb15a</b></div><div>No but a MacKinnon like leader would help the Sens immensely because the amount of talent and the results just don’t jibe, and they have already changed the GM and coach.</div></div>
They changed the coaching staff on December 18th and the GM on December 31st... The damage was already done at that point. Need a full off-season and training camp to start seeing results. There was a 20 games stretch after January 11th where the Sens had a good record and were top-5 in all metrics. The wheels fell off again but they still do some things much better than any time during DJ Smith's tenure. It was always going to take some time after 7 years of Dorion and 5 seasons of DJ
Forum: Armchair-GM11 mars à 12 h 43
Sujet: Fixing Ottawa Maybe Idk anymore
lol that Batherson trade is horrendous. I know Sens goaltending has been the worst in the league this season but giving a top line forward and #2-3 D-man (both 25 y/o) to get a goalie with 1 year left is C.R.A.Z.Y.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hawksguy81</b></div><div>Hawks easily decline. 5 pieces and the Hawks don't want any of them.</div></div>
Don't think Murphy has that much value left. Brannstrom has very sexy advanced stats and makes less, cost controlled and younger. Very versatile too

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SociallyHawkward</b></div><div>What a crazy way to look at player values. Ullmark wouldn't fetch half that and there's not a single part of that Murphy trade chicago would actually want.</div></div>
What is Murphy value you think?
Forum: Armchair-GM11 mars à 12 h 30
Sujet: thoughts
1. No way I am doing that

I'd rather have Pinto than Mercer

I am not trading Chychrun for a (possible) late 1st + 3rd + 4th

2. I like Vatrano but let's dig into UFA instead of trading assets for a guy without term. Can't afford to waste assets after just having had Dorion as a GM for 7 years. lol

3. Unfortunately, Korpi's contract kills the deal. Nashville would have to be going into a full rebuild to accept that

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>Why is NJD adding the 1st?</div></div>
Because that is still NOT enough value, not even close.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>lol dumbest argument I’ve ever seen 🤣🤣🤣</div></div>
I have seen as dumb or even dumber a million times though. That's what happens when you've been on these sites for 25+ years lol
Forum: Armchair-GM11 mars à 12 h 23