More than fair on the value but not sure Buchnevich should be the target with our assets. I'd want NJD to potentially go after Samuellson tho

Ditto dgibb - I'd love to see Buch in the top-6 but D and G need to be addressed before that "nice to have" addition.

Sens accept.

Buch would have potentially been more of a last year target if we went heavy after him instead of Meier

Faulk vetoes the trade to Ottawa.

Wow, I do not like that Buch trade (even if I kinda like Casey). There will be no great price slash coming from TDL to summer. There will be so many teams calling on him it negates the presumed "one less playoff run" drop. And as before, he's still not actually available. People tend to forget this.

No thank you and he doesn’t even waive lol

Don’t tell me that trade doesn’t look similar to the return ottawa got for Mark Stone lol.

So we had one sens fan accept and another decline... that's how you know it's a fair price. Maybe adding picks to either side to really narrow down value

Don't mind the rest of the trades. Would like a touch more for Buch (maybe that second is a guaranteed first then adding a third with conditions to become a second)

More bidders doesn't mean much if they all come with smaller offers because he's now a rental

I agree with this. However - above said Buch comes with extension. I think his value fell but now that it can be sign a mind trade - could add value.

I always question how much a UFA "with extension" increases value. It rarely happens. And from my view, if the extension is at market value UFA prices, it doesn't increase value at all. Some GMs may view it differently in terms of certainty tho, and if the extension is a bargain (although that would require some convincing for Buch to agree) it could have a significant impact

Probably - I wouldn’t guarantee that he wouldn’t waive though.

The still don’t want him. Too old , hasn’t been good enough . Would draft Chabot or Sanderson down. Would rather get EK if this is our best option lol

I would opt against spending that much on a rental.

I think his value went down a little. We’ll see. I also think Doug is trading someone from the top line and it won’t be Thomas. I know we can agree to disagree.

Faulk is not great defensively but he’s better than EK and Chabot. Those 2 on the same team are a defensive nightmare. Faulk has also been hurt this year.

I looked quick at his analytics not a fan

Am I supposed to do comps with Dorion trades now??? Hard pass.

More demand = prices go up. That's basic economics. So like I said, even if you want to knock something off with one less playoff run, market forces should cover that gap. We're still not talking about a rental on the block here. And being a full season rental isn't the same as a TDL rental anyway.

More bidders on a less valuable asset doesn't equal a higher price. It doesn't matter how many bidders there are, if they aren't willing to pay a certain price they aren't going to suddenly go past that price just because 9 other teams are involved.

1 year of Buchnevich is less valuable than 2 years of Buchnevich which is less valuable than 3 years of Buchnevich.

And if you want to go into the market, the absolute worst time to sell a rental is in the offseason.

Again, Buch is not on the market, he's not on the block. You keep talking about players who are openly on the block, being offered around. That's not this.

This is I'm not offering anything to anyone, if they come to me I'll listen. If someone rings a nice enough bell, fine, I give in, I will trade him. If not, great, I keep the player I wanted to keep all along. Army still holds all the cards.

There is no "price" to drop here. There's I dare you to make me an offer I can't pass up. Still. And now, quite conceivably, more teams will play the game. Does that automatically mean they offer more? No, but market forces are market forces for a reason. They tend to have an effect. Having one less playoff run would push a price down. Having more teams bidding should push it back up. Could teams come in trying to bargain shop because "the price went down"? Of course, but they are not going to like the tone of the response. The price is not going to chance a great deal this summer. Nor should it.

A player who wasn't on the block can hit the block real quick when he is 1 year away from UFA

And? We're discussing what's going on, not what potentially could. If he goes on the block, then the dynamic changes.

Meanwhile, Army has been talking up an extension since the deadline passed.

No I mean it’s comparable but also bad. Betting everything on an undersized D has a lot of potential to fail no matter how good they look