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Forum: Armchair-GMlun. à 19 h 37
Sujet: rebuild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>again never said better.
B. we aren't talking about $20. You keep ignoring this.
Notice how you don't have anything to add about the quality of the two drafts. This year is a weak one. the 2026 draft has at least 1 player of exceptional status....
Kind of tired just going round and round with you to have nothing to offer. At top 6 pick in a weak draft, isn't as good as a top 6 pick in a strong draft....even if you have to wait 2 years for it. As stated earlier, development time on a guy who needs two years to develop vs getting a guy who can play right away makes that negligible.
It's not the NBA. Drafted players typically don't play right away. Unless they are high end talent. Which this draft lacks.
So unless you got something relative to say other than what you brought I think we can call this concluded on.... depends where you think the penguins finish. Well I think they are a bottom 5 team in 2 years. Maybe you do not. That's laughable to me considering how bad they are and how old they are... but hey you never know.</div></div>
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Hon, you're trying to argue a point that is literally fundamentally impossible based on a combination of inaccurate prognostication, hindsight, and magical thinking. For your hypothetical value scenario to have even a ghost of a chance 2026 would have to be far and away the best draft in NHL history - enough to make 2003 seem like an afterthought - and you have literally zero evidence to support such a claim. It's a basic and transparent version of the old "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" con. You'd be able to make a stronger case arguing that we need to get started right away on building a perpetual motion machine.
Forum: Armchair-GMlun. à 13 h 51
Sujet: rebuild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>you want to sit here and talk about educate... you end up picking 6th and in this draft your prospect needs 2 years to develop because it's a weak draft.
If the 26 draft is deep, you could end up picking 4th and have a year 1 player....your time money blah blah as you like to put it is pointless.
You over here talking about educate. A. realize how weak this draft is. B. how arrogant you are.
This whole convo takes place on a premise that most people can realize is probably true that the pens are a bottom 5 team in 26. Not hard to get there considering they almost finished 708OA this year and they will do nothing but age in 2 years with no real prospect pool to change that and a bunch of aging contracts taking up large chunks of the cap. You just can't get over simple things.

And come off you high horse, no hockey fan is looking into the 26 draft prospects. your expectation is just showing how far the stick is shoved up there. It's pretty clear you being a casual hockey fan as well don't know piss all of the 26 draft either or you would have said so. Which makes your comments even funnier.
What we all do know is this is a weak draft. It's also not hard to over come the hurdle of being better than a weak draft. Especially when I know there is at least 1 player in that draft who currently has exceptional player status. So when you sit around going ... someday be a McDavid... blah blah... realize that this draft does not have that level of a prospect in it.
I can't say I know the whole draft for 26 which is why I said from the start, it depends what you think of the draft class and where one picks given a bottom 5 finish.

Maybe use your head for once instead of playing know it all and you won't end up telling us all how picking high in a weak draft is right away is somehow always better than the same level of a high pick later. It's not.
Picking 1OA in 2014 wasn't worth getting the 1OA in 2015. People knew that at draft. Time blah blah blah..... is all horse $#!t of an argument. It only matters if all things are equal. But they are not.
The best argument you have is PIT doesn't end up picking 5OA... that's fine if that's your belief..... that's not mine and we can disagree on that.
But your arrogance on the rest is just absurd. A draft with an exceptional level player at the top is a better draft than the current weak one. I just don't know how far that goes down the list. As there is no promise in either draft that either team gets a 1OA. Which is why I stated.....It depends how you view the drafts. But you just can't seem to accept that.</div></div>
All this is noise because you're still assuming that a pick two years from now is better than or the same as a pick now and that is fundamentally not the case nor can it ever be. It is more valuable for me to have $20 now than to have $20 in a month. So long as you keep ignoring this fundamental basic concept of economics, you are wrong.
Forum: Armchair-GMdim. à 17 h 42
Sujet: Who say no
There's arguments against for both sides but it's most concerning for Carolina and the issues they'd been having with getting regular goal scoring; while adding someone like Chinakhov would probably be welcome, KJ is too playmakery, the 2024 1st doesn't bring someone fast enough for a win-now team, and giving up Svech to make it happen arguably makes the team worse instead of better.

And for Columbus, Svechnikov is awesome but we've got a lot of quality wingers in a similar vein already we're kind of shuffling around, so while it does technically consolidate assets it doesn't do a very effective job of team buliding in the process. And trading multiple wingers for one big one is going to be a difficult deal to pull off; I'd rather see if there's any blueline patches we can make that way as the odds seem somewhat better of finding a market opportunity there.
Forum: Armchair-GMdim. à 17 h 28
Sujet: rebuild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>like I said, the time difference is dependent on what you think of the value of the draft and where it actually picks.
I admittedly don't know how strong the 26 draft is. I do know the current draft is pretty weak.
We also don't know where CBJ picks. You might look at this after that pick is decided and say hold on, the Pens pick might actually be worth more.
You just don't know that. Don't forget how bad the penguins actually are. They were at 7-8OA this year a points in the season after TDL.
This is an aging team falling apart. Its not going to improve.</div></div>
"Blah blah blah uncertainty therefore they're the same".

No, you are wrong. Uncontestably, objectively wrong. Look up a concept known as "time value of money" someday and educate yourself. It doesn't <strong>matter</strong> how bad Pittsburgh is or is not in two years, <strong>it's not worth it</strong>. Pittsburgh does not have the assets, and the 2026 1st does not affect that assessment in any way, and you are perfectly aware of that - especially since you have come out and admitted you have done no research whatsoever as to what players are actually there and are going based off "well maybe there might someday be a McDavid something something IT COULD BE MAYBE OKAY". No. Stop. You're wrong. Own it, take the L, and move on.